push the laws of the game to the limit and beyond , Farrel , Flanders , Mckey Mac and the rest could be penalised virtually every tackle . Either Leeds or Saints will have to match them in this area to win next week . Not easy as they are masters of it . I could go through the game and point out numerous different ways they slow the tackle down when the opposition have the ball , but what they are also good at is getting quick play the balls themselves when in posesion by rolling forward or stepping forward and leaving the potential markers behind where the tackle was made .Excpect fireworks next week if Bateman put his head in players faces when tackling like he did early on tonight as Leeds or Saints will have a bit more about them than the wrongly named Giants .

It's like watching leeds without the forward passes

Think though that's a key reason why they're unbeaten at home, but have a very poor away record this year as they don't get away with it as much when away from the DW.

All teams strive to slow the ruck down, it's a vital part of defending, and Wigan have built their success around it, it's not something to complain about just because they're better at it than the majority of other teams. You know what you're going to get from them.

They also have plenty of pace which is just as threatening for them.

Just to add that I think Charnly is lucky that Joe Burgess is off to the NRL because Manfredi already looks a more complete winger, to me.

Well, neither the Saints or Leeds pack will be bullied and roll over at OT in the manner the Hudds. one did tonight.To be fair to Wigan they were being allowed to get away with these things so they would be daft to have veered away from it.

The Bateman head butting though, can't condone that and it should be reviewed, and he should be at least warned for it moving forward. It maybe how he would act on a saturday night down the town with his pals, but has no place in our game.

Yep just ask Kevin sinfield

Take a powder buddy, you talk a lot of crap.

A rugby man who talks sense you are a rare breed.

Hilarious comeback, so do i take it you back your player to the hilt for the filthy act of butting a player on the deck on a regular basis?

They are an incredibly dirty side. I wouldn't even get involved with Bateman and McIlorum. Let them crack on. They are in the team partly to annoy people, just give as good as you get. Need to watch out for O'Verated's head shots and lying on though. I'd kick them to death. Make Manfredi run it back from his own 10 and get Hall to batter him. In attack, target Smith. If we get through Saints, Sinny and Peacock won't let us lost at OT

Cunningham & graham thought that for St. Helens in 2013 but it didn't turn out to be a fairytale ending then and nor will it be next week. You are a tired team and that will be shown in its entirety next week, or maybe even tonight. If you wish to kick to manfredi I suggest you do just that

Awful s#*$house team. I would be embarrassed if I supported them.

Jesus Christ, someone give this lad a biscuit.

Is that the James Graham who left SL after 2011?

not bad, Jake.

Wigan are a rough tough side - as Saints have showed you need to match them physically - their attack is very one dimensional similar play all the time. The question is can you commit as many players into the tackle as Wigan for the extended period they do - if you can you will beat them.

He's a Wigan fan, he has to.

A fair assessment. The first step has to be matching their ferocity in the tackle - not the silly, nut-to-the-face antics of Bateman - rather the stuff that actually hurts. And rather than adopting countering by lying on/interfering it's much better to play with a well-organised, quick-thinking defence. Let them have their quick ptbs. They actually make a lot of mistakes when they try to play quickly. And avoid kicking to Bowen. The antipathy of some Wigan fans to him is quite bizarre - although I suppose he is in the unenviable position of having had to fill their poster boy's boots. He can be an absolute menace on his day. That's my recipe for success, anyhow.

But of course we must deal with Saints first.

After reading all of this tripe without actually giving any praise for a tough workman like performance i really hope Saints stuff you lot tonight. After your Challenge Cup and LLS successes the majority of Wiganers gave you credit. The hatred for Wigan is a joke on South Stander. COYS

The only people who don't think Wigan are the dirtiest team in the League, are Wigan Fans. Just saying.

Not up to doing it yourselves? I'd have thought you'd want us to win.

From a neutral perspective, a Wigan Vs Leeds final is a game we haven't seen for quite some time. Could be a classic if both teams go into the game in good shape.

From a Leeds perspective, isn't it premature to be discussing the club we might play in the final before we get there? Beating Saints will be no small achievement given how shaky Leeds have looked recently.

Southstander obsession with Wigan continues...

We're going into a home semi final with a win putting us on course to do the treble and the top subject on the board is another whinge about Wigan?!

Don't need to mention 3 special players could bow out tonight too.

Carry on talking about Wigan however...

We can talk about anything we want, would you agree?