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| Been talk of potential signings, but given that most of our squad is under contract for next year, who do we think might be shown the door early?
For me, I can think only of Richard Moore. The guy's 32, doesn't command a role in the squad and with Singleton's emergence probably never will.
On top of that, McShane & Jones-Bishop seem likely to go if we are signing Briscoe & Aiton, as rumour seems to suggest.
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| Briscoe has been confirmed on bbc , I don't want to start the left side right side argument again but he does play left same as hall.
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| Quote ="joshua102"Briscoe has been confirmed on bbc , I don't want to start the left side right side argument again but he does play left same as hall.'"
A lot of people think Briscoe is a better winger on the right.Fantastic signing for you guys but not so good for BJB.He is too good a player not to have a starting spot and cannot see him staying at Leeds now.
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| TBF, I think Hall's a better winger on the right too so whichever way that goes we should be stronger. If I was a winger I'd be happier playing outside Watkins than I would outside Moon too who IMO, is the reason for Hall's "drop in form" that a lot of people like to talk about.
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| Quote ="Harrigan"TBF, I think Hall's a better winger on the right too so whichever way that goes we should be stronger. If I was a winger I'd be happier playing outside Watkins than I would outside Moon too who IMO, is the reason for Hall's "drop in form" that a lot of people like to talk about.'"
Moon hasn't helped but for me Hall's seemed jaded at times. Not that unusual TBH - there ain't many players that don't slip a notch or two at some point or another.
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| Quote ="Harrigan"TBF, I think Hall's a better winger on the right too so whichever way that goes we should be stronger. If I was a winger I'd be happier playing outside Watkins than I would outside Moon too who IMO, is the reason for Hall's "drop in form" that a lot of people like to talk about.'"
Put Hall outside Watkins and you will have the exact same effect.
Blaming his centre is just looking for excuses. The fact that Hall is quite clearly the best finisher in the world, doesn't make him the best in other areas. His rugby brain is lacking, and he can not keep up with the play around him mentally, so tends to put himself yardage ahead at times.
I would still have Hall above many others, but that doesn't mean to say he is perfect in all areas, because he isn't.
Had Briscoe been outside Moon this year, you would have seen the difference in the try return.
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| I think Hall's rugby brain is partly what puts himself ahead of other wingers.
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| Hall's definitely sacrificed some leg speed for upper body strength - similar to Atkins at Wire - none the worse for it once he realises he can now steamroller defenders rather than run around them.
Afraid Moore's choices my be limited (Wakey, Cas perhaps) but can't see BJB having to sit by the 'phone for long if he decides to leave Leeds ...... the ability (and brain!) to play at wing/centre/FB hasn't gone unnoticed by other coaches.
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| We have rarely had a full back line available this year. Bush out for months, Watkins hardacre moon all had layoffs for weeks on end. With briscoe added to back line should be no need to move any of the pack or halves into the back line.
Supers signing.
Need a hooker and a prop now and we look pretty good for next year
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| All wingers need to be scoring trys, I wouldn't say Hall's form has been overly down this year. But seems to lacked some of his former confidence.
Moon has helped himself to a good try return for a centre whereas others may have used the wing option. So our combined try total (of winger and centre) is probably about right.
One thing Hall has developed this year is an off-load and neat pass, so shows his development is far from over.
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| Quote ="rollin thunder"We have rarely had a full back line available this year. Bush out for months, Watkins hardacre moon all had layoffs for weeks on end. With briscoe added to back line should be no need to move any of the pack or halves into the back line.
Supers signing.
Need a hooker and a prop now and we look pretty good for next year'"
The problem with that is that someone has to be the versitile player. Its good to have flexibility which doesn't weaken another part of the team, but realistically, it will be BJB who moves around to cover everyone else. He's the new Lee Smith (without the 38 inch waist)
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| For all of Watkins one-handed glory offloads, I'm not convinced he's any more of a "winger's centre" than Moon is.
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| Quote ="joshua102"www.yorkshireeveningpost.co.uk/sport/rugby-league/leeds-rhinos/leeds-rhinos-jones-bishop-told-he-has-big-part-to-play-1-6105108'"
Fluff piece.
That the first team coach has had to sit down with the player so frequently at a key stage of the season to talk about his future would indicate Jones-Bishop is unsettled.
I wouldn't be surprised to see him gone before the 2014 season kicks off, in which case Leeds will be absolutely screwed for backs cover given the lads from the 19s who are also likely to be out the door.
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| Quote ="Andy Gilder"Fluff piece.
That the first team coach has had to sit down with the player so frequently at a key stage of the season to talk about his future would indicate Jones-Bishop is unsettled.
I wouldn't be surprised to see him gone before the 2014 season kicks off, in which case Leeds will be absolutely screwed for backs cover given the lads from the 19s who are also likely to be out the door.'"
We've still got Keinhorst.
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| Quote ="Old Feller"We've still got Keinhorst.
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Blimey....id genuinely forgotten about Keinhorst!!
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| Quote ="Andy Gilder"Fluff piece.
That the first team coach has had to sit down with the player so frequently at a key stage of the season to talk about his future would indicate Jones-Bishop is unsettled.
I wouldn't be surprised to see him gone before the 2014 season kicks off, in which case Leeds will be absolutely screwed for backs cover given the lads from the 19s who are also likely to be out the door.'"
Duckworth ,Minns and Keinhorst will still be around plus Foster can come into the BR to enable Ablett back to centre as an option aswell.
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| So the people who confirmed Leeds weren't looking at Tom Briscoe are the ones who are confirming BJB has a place here.
Oh dear.
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| I wasn't blaming Moon, I was just saying that I don't think the two suit each other. Watkins isn't the same as Moon either. When Watkins gets the ball he seems to know what's going to happen. He's a much better centre at creating space for his winger and putting them away. Moon seems to get the ball and not know what the hells going to happen next. Don't get me wrong, he's a massive threat and a good centre but I always got the feeling Hall was non the wiser about where Moon was going to take the ball.
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| Now Briscoe has joined us, I'd like to see how well Hall would do in the second row. He's big, strong, fast and good be devestating there.
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| So if we are to believe GH and I would say he one of the last peole I would believe.
This means we have signed a player albeit a good one making 6 into 5 places for next year.
Surely the money all £90k should have gone on getting a top class hooker as our priority.
It is no good having all these super backs if we don`t have the forwards and pish poor half backs.
I go along with the fact Briscoe is possibly better than the 2 wingers currently in place.
But it is not as if BJB/Hall has let us down and would walk into any other SL team.
It makes no sense to me as we need strength elsewhere in the team.
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| Quote ="django"Now Briscoe has joined us, I'd like to see how well Hall would do in the second row. He's big, strong, fast and good be devestating there.'"
Oh dear.
It seems nantwich is infectious.
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| Quote ="Andy Gilder"Fluff piece.
That the first team coach has had to sit down with the player so frequently at a key stage of the season to talk about his future would indicate Jones-Bishop is unsettled.
I wouldn't be surprised to see him gone before the 2014 season kicks off, in which case Leeds will be absolutely screwed for backs cover given the lads from the 19s who are also likely to be out the door.'"
Maybe a different possibilitiy is Hardacker leaving, BJB to FB.... one can wonder
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| Quote ="Maximillion"Maybe a different possibilitiy is Hardacker leaving, BJB to FB.... one can wonder'"
The rumours in the away end at wiggin last wknd were all suggesting that BJB was wire bound.
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| Quote ="Rastrick Rhino"The rumours in the away end at wiggin last wknd were all suggesting that BJB was wire bound.'"
Tis true!!!
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