Hmmm....does anybody still believe the acadmey 'youngsters' are still not ready/capable to step up to SL first team action?
Singleton brilliant; Sutcliffe confident and assured; Keinhorst at ease and Minns ten times better than the previous 'reserve winger'

I do believe perhaps Printer and co have comprehensively been shown to be the luddites they undoubtedly are



Bring on Hood next as interchange hooker. Keep Burrow away from the front row please



.....and Baldwinson instead of Kirke/Bailey

"Never be a Super league players whilst I have a hole in my bum"

Who said that about Keinhorst?

Gotcha said something along those lines although not sure of the exact wording.

I know one swallow does not make a spring, and one performance does not make a super league player. But Mr Keinhorst was a different player to the one we saw last year. Hopefully a good run in the side and we will see how good he is. But an A plus start and a thousand times better than Vickery

Benefited from some great service from his 'centre' Hall and Burrow for his other score.

Can't remember our resident Academy 'expert' picking Keinhorst or Minns at all......in fact it was all about Watson/Sunley & Duckworth after his vast experience of watching them.......if only I had of said we shouldn't of played youngsters......oh wait that's it I said we shouldn't predict doom simply because they haven't played during the tricky 1st half of the campaign and they'll get a chance sometime.

If brains were made out of chocolate then Nantwich wouldn't have enough to fill a Smartie!

But bless him and others.....they're the reason academy lads are getting a game now.....nothing to do with McDermott who obviously reads these pages and caved into pressure from these 'experts'!

For goodness sake guys it was one game against a very ordinary Castleford side , yes i think Singleton and Sutcliffe could be the real deal as for Minns i doubt it very much and lets see keinhurst back that performance up with a few more the same before getting carried away . Yet another call to cull Bailey and Kirke i really do wonder about some posters on here.

He's got a chance now to really plant his flag in the 's role. Or, given his surname, put his towel on it*.



*this gag is bought to you courtesy of Lord Percy. They bombed his chippy, apparently.

I though Minns was dodgy defensively and made a few errors. The fact he scored after 4 minutes clouds people's judgements on him IMO. If Vickery played like he did there'd be a 10 page thread on him. He definitely wasn't 10 times better though.

Keinhorst has good footwork and finished his tries well but again, defensively he wasn't all that.

When judging a players performance I forget about the tries and judge them on how they played as if they hadn't scored. Minns gets a 5, Keinhorst a 7.

Sutcliffe fell of a few tackles but looked capable with ball in hand.

I like Singleton though. He runs at 100 mph and never checks. He's quick defensively too and has a good motor on him. He was the best of the young ones Friday.

But Vickery has been 'weak' in performance terms for the majority of the season so far

Now you're not telling me Mr O you are judging Minns on one performance are you?!

Everyone else is on here so why can't I? I thought that's what this thread was about

So that's Minns & Burrow...

I have no agenda. I just post what I see. Minns blew one try by not keeping up with Moon when he made a break and flicked it to his winger. People round me said it was a poor pass. I disagree. The flick went exactly where it should have been but Minns was a couple of yards too deep. Had Vickery been outside him everyone would have gone mad.

I do appreciate it was his debut, but in those situations you should always be on your centres shoulder at worst, not a yard or 2 back.

Disagree re-Minns H he did what was asked and if you watch the repaly of Moons pass it was low and Minns would have got put into touch anyway as Clare was well within touching distance.
As for Defence EVERY Cas try came from much more experienced players missing tackles.
Also those defending Vickery are quick to point out he's only played reserve NRL only 22 etc etc well Minns is an 18yr opld Centre/BR playing in a position he doesn't play in and played easily aswell as and in terms of effort better than Vickery did.
I've not and i won't blame Vickery for the defeats because it wasn't down to him but Minns has shown we do have just as good at U19 level and for a kid who doesn't play wing went well imo.
Keinhorst took his trys well ,ran hard and tackled well and i do agree Singleton shone again and for me Sutcliffe should be at 6 and did well.

So that's two things that Minns got that Vickery never did... passes, I mean.

Anyway, delighted for Keinhorst - looks like he might be an excellent exemplar of the McDermott/ Hetherington approach to youth development. Just like we see the dividends of unflinching loyalty to senior players paid out in Grand Final victories.

It had nothing to do with his try. His positioning for kicks was far better than Vickery's and his impact in the collision light years ahead of Vickery. He didn't look scared in the tackle.

Now, I'm not saying Minns was Marcus Bai and Vickery didn't exactly set the bar very high but the whole frustration was that there must be someone, anyone, in the Academy that was better than the Yozzer Hughes of wingmen and it appears there is.

I think all the youngsters who have recently played have stepped up well. Singleton should be a regular, Sutcliffe has added something to the team and Keinhorst has been strong in attack and defence.

Keinhorst's try was more to do with his line and footwork rather than Burrow. Outside backs are always going to be criticised defensively because we play so tight in the middle causing there to be big gaps outwide.

I thought he was very tentative and was trying too hard not to fekk up. I'll give him a couple more games before a give an opinion but, put it this way, he was no worse than Vickery.

agree and the "bombed" try from moons pass was more of a "shall I come inside or stay out" situation nothing more than being a bit green behind t' lugs

Dream start for Minns, scored a touchdown that needed finishing.

After that thought he ran ok. Stayed on his wing, didn't over play and attempt anything silly. A mature debut for a kid.

Ditto.

Nowt special, bit to work on, crack on.

Gotcha also said that Clark was going to be a superstar -or at least the next James Roby - and everyone appears to be falling over themselves to get him signed up this morning so in the interests of balance it's only fair to flag that up as well.

Playing on the wing eh! Why did they do that again. Why put a back row forward/or centre on the wing I wonder. They could have easily put Clarkson there.

They did it so Minns will sign his mediocre 1/2 year deal, which rumour has it, he has declined.

Seems a nice lad though, I am pleased for him, but there must be others in the team not so happy.

Sorry if I haven't followed your previous posts closely on this but is that a 'one to two year deal' or a 'half year deal' ?

For a debut?
Young 'uns are often quick ... I seem to recall Chev Walker debuting the same way.