I thought tonights evening post comment from Brian Mcdermott said a lot, cant remember it exactly but something along the the lines of " not a time for doubters in the squad and we all need to pull together and not question things "
Tells me that this is exactly what has been going on.

Think it's time we bit the bullet and get rid. Can hardly blame players for doubting the bafoon

They don't need to question things. We play to plan A if that doesn't work we go to plan B - Plan B being play to plan A. Simples

“It’s a period when we don’t want anybody in the camp asking questions or doubting. We need people on board; we need a real good collective effort to see us through what’s going to be a challenging time.”

A good coach will take on board what players say wether right or wrong, wether he implements them or not is his choice. Seems to suggest at times its my way or the highway from mc.

The article stinks of a desperate coach who has lost the team. Don't think getting rid of Burgess and Cross will have done anything to improve the situation. A hammering at Wigan should see him off. I don't think that I can watch that car crash.

Glad to hear that. The squad been unsettled is big step further to McDermott been shown the door.

At the start of the season I remember the players saying the whole structure has changed - the attacking moves and what they call them, a complete overhaul to what was brought in years back. They now must be thinking the new plays are just not happening and must be desperate to go back to the old.

Apart from the game at Cas and the half hour against Wigan, when has this season not been a 'challenge' .... He's starting to sound like Geraint P*llock (Youtube / Google it)

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Wonder if Peter Smith still feels the same way?

Exactly my thoughts. Do you think that it was his thoughts or a line fed to him by Hethrington. Either way looks stupid now.

Indeed, we are falling away at a rapid rate, and any longer in charge the damage could take years to sort out out

Get rid. And get matt Elliott in.

Get rid, anyone would be a improvement

I enjoyed that article and i thought he made some fair and valid points but i still came to the conclusion that he should be gone and nothing has changed since imo.

When did we beat Hull in cup in the reach the semis i must of been asleep for that match!!

Its all get rid now. The team clearly do not want to play for them so get somebody new in

I suspect we have a lot of tired players at Leeds who are really done in. Sinfield, McGuire, Kylie, Peacock, JJB, Senior and a few others have been with the team a long time and worked their backsides off to achieve those 4 championships. An inspirational leader might have lifted them for a year or two more, but an innexperienced coach with no track record of success who they already have dealt with as an assistant in the past doesn't seem to fit the bill. Add to that Lowes, who is hardly awash with charisma - or a winning record - and you get players who have worked with far better and bigger personalities saying "F*** this for a game of soldiers". They are uninspired, flat and lacking drive and ambition and thinking "well I've done it all, what's the point". It's now easy for them to look at the coach and blame him for their own lack of energy.

This team is going through the menopause - bad tempered, erratic and impossible to talk to.

That's a pretty good assessment

Cock on that assessment. Players crave discipline, structure and above all leadership. They are getting nowt from these two jokers.

Interesting assessment. Fairly accurate

How do you know? C'mon seriously, how do you know?

If DHM is right, you either freshen things up by replacing half the side or the coach. Under the cap its difficult to do the former, and GH already signed up a lot of players beyond this season. That leaves one option. BMD was probably the hope to do just that. I can't see any evidence that its working.

Hang on a minute.

You've agreed with the assessment that a large chunk of the senior members of the first team squad have nothing left in the tank and are basically no longer hungry for success, then you go and shift all the blame for that onto the coaching staff?

Players are entirely accountable for their on field performances and their off field attitudes. If they really can't be bothered any more and are going through the motions, then as highly paid professionals whose fault is that?

I'm prepared to cut many of the first team squad a little slack on the basis of past achievements. That only gets you so far though, and it's clear that whoever was in charge of this current Leeds side they wouldn't be in any different a position to where they are now.

The root of the problem lies in a playing squad that is past its sell by date. Sentimentally clinging onto them and absolving them of all responsibility for their performances isn't going to take the club forward.

Doubters are not always a good thing to have in an organisation. But blind, unquestioning faith in the face of overwhelming evidence that the system is failing is a worse thing. I think the players (and everyone else) have some good cause to have doubts and questions.

Agree the playing staff are accountable and do need to take the blame, but so does the shambles of a coaching team as well