[code SUPER LEAGUE TABLE
P W D L F A Pts
Huddersfield 5 4 0 1 141 72 8
Warrington 6 4 0 2 159 111 8
Wigan 5 2 2 1 92 92 6
St Helens 5 1 1 3 106 125 3
Leeds 5 0 1 4 74 172 1
[/code

How the mighty have fallen



Things were so much simpler in the days where we won the Cup and you won the Grand Final every year.

There's 2 divisions in SL this season.

Division 1 consists of those clubs who are genuine contenders for silverware.

Division 2 consists of the rubbish... the also-rans.

Saints are still a Division 1 side along with Warrington, Wigan and Huddersfield.

Leeds OTOH are increasingly exhibiting evidence they belong in Division 2.

Why don't you do a new league table then?

Its sad but true. No chance of top 4 on the performances v those sides. Battered by wire twice, battered by huddersfield at home, chucked it away v wigan and faded after an hour v saints. for the leeds rhinos, that isnt good enough. all four played at home too.

Some demarcation which is indicative of Leeds decline in relation to the SL contenders you mean? Like this perhaps?

[code SUPER LEAGUE TABLE
P W D L F A Pts
Huddersfield 5 4 0 1 141 72 8
Warrington 6 4 0 2 159 111 8
Wigan 5 2 2 1 92 92 6
St Helens 5 1 1 3 106 125 3
----------------------------------------------------
Leeds 5 0 1 4 74 172 1
[/code

I've checked my diary, and it's still May. Don't panic.....Brian Mac has it all under control.

Believe

There are 2 divisions of posters too Keith/ AP :

1) Your Pete Brady impession when we win the SL trophy 3 years on the trot
2) Your smug trolling one when things not going as well .

Yer can tell how far theyve fallen, Hull fans happy with the CC draw - wanting to avoid one of the top sides.

While I agree there is still plenty of time, brian mac does not look to have anything under control!

Leeds fall from competitive grace has been apparent for a while, provided one is prepared not to attach way too much significance to injuries as an excuse to fall back on. Leeds have been on the slide for several seasons including those where they were crowned SL champions. I stuck the proverbial final fork in this Leeds squad as done and finished after the CC Final tonking last August.

It is no coincidence that I've purposely maintained a SL Table (including only the genuine SL competition) as my signature all season, if only to highlight Leeds lack of credentials against those teams who can now justifiably be considered superior.

Normally, a run of six straight victories against SL opposition would have arch-believists predicting further success. Deep down, even they know those six straight victories were insignificant hollow victories by a poorly-performing, past-it's sell-by-date team against substandard, p[ii[/isspoor SL opposition... six victories on the bounce sandwiched in between the more significant hammerings of 6-38 and 6-42 at home to two of the genuine competitors in SL this year.

You weren't the only one who revised their opinions on Leeds following Wembley - I strongly suspect (as I said last year) that so did GH. Whether he's reacted well to that remains to be seen, but for whatever reason he seems not to have pulled out all the stops for this season (maybe he simply figured there wasn't much chance of fixing anything)?

Possibly so, apart from the South Stand, and even the plans for that have been downgraded.

Anyone who watched Leeds in 2010 and indeed for most of 2009 could see we were struggling to stay near to or ahead of the pack. I happen to think that last year's Wembley 'performance' was the worst I have ever seen from a Leeds side in a final where we were supposedly on equal or near equal terms (Including losing to Leigh in the 1971 CC final at Wembley) I have a suspicion that McClennan far from being one of our best ever coaches was in fact not really very good at all.

As for McDermott...time will tell etc. (I'm not hopeful on the evidence so far) I do know that when at Harlequins - a side I watch regularly becuase I have more money than sense - often they would go in on equal or near equal terms at half time for a McDermott delivered inspirational/tactically brilliant half time time team talk only to come out in the second half and completely capitulate - sound familiar? Leeds 6 Warrington 12 at HT? Boy I wonder what magic he weaved at the half time session on Friday?

I suspect it's gonna be a long and depresssing run in. As for Friday's team selection...WTF??

[code SUPER LEAGUE TABLE
P W D L F A Pts
Huddersfield 5 4 0 1 141 72 8
Warrington 6 4 0 2 159 111 8
Wigan 5 2 2 1 92 92 6
St Helens 6 2 1 3 148 141 5
----------------------------------------------------
Leeds 6 0 1 5 90 214 1
[/code

"There is no crisis ...."

(c) Capt. E J Smith, as endorsed by a Mr B MacDermott of Leeds ....

Keith, stop trying to fool people by having a table whose sole purpose is to identify challengers when Leeds are in it, even if they are a distant last (not 5th)...

Maybe need two tables with religation and promotion

Please do the Super League B table of matches excluding the top four. We might be near the top of that.

On a positive note.....

[code SUPER LEAGUE RABBLE TABLE
P W D L F A Pts
Leeds 10 8 0 2 334 188 16
Castleford 11 7 1 3 355 256 15
Salford 12 6 0 6 296 294 12
Catalan 11 5 1 5 236 245 11
Bradford 11 5 1 5 258 300 11
Hull KR 10 5 0 5 287 268 10
Hull 10 5 0 5 258 240 10
Wakefield 12 5 0 7 258 339 10
Harlequins 11 3 1 7 271 356 7
Crusaders 10 3 0 7 219 386 6[/code

Hate to be a monkey , but should Cas not also be included in this table???

Thanks Leeds Cas have moved up a place without playing ?