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| Our new backline of course ...now that Webb and McGuire are back on the sidelines.
Delaney and Senior both too damn slow, cumbersome, reluctant to pass to the outside man and prone to awful defensive mistakes between them.
Smith looked composed and back to his best at FB......his long pass for Hall's try wasn't bluddy forward either.
Hall inside with some real pace outside him can only be good.
Wilson deserves his opportunity.
BJB and Watkins will be the competition when they regain fitness.
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| So instead of trying to gradually bleed youngsters in with experienced players to ensure they do not loose confidence after errors etc, put them all in at once to learn together when Super League is the most competitive it's ever been? Good idea.
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| Quote ="nantwichexile"Our new backline of course
...now that Webb and McGuire are back on the sidelines.
Delaney and Senior both too damn slow, cumbersome, reluctant to pass to the outside man and prone to awful defensive mistakes between them.
Smith looked composed and back to his best at FB......his long pass for Hall's try wasn't bluddy forward either.
Hall inside with some real pace outside him can only be good.
Wilson deserves his opportunity.
BJB and Watkins will be the competition when they regain fitness.'" I'm glad you don't coach the team.
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| Just to clarify something if I may.
You LOSE a match and turn something LOOSE.
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| Quote ="Sibbs Rhinos"So instead of trying to gradually bleed youngsters in with experienced players to ensure they do not loose confidence after errors etc, put them all in at once to learn together when Super League is the most competitive it's ever been? Good idea.'"
Ah...you're just a wimp. Have more faith.
Besides Senior acts more like the bluddy junior ...hardly looks after himself never mind any poor kids playing outside him. He's even worse on the wing for being exposed.
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| Quote ="fanstanningley"I'm glad you don't coach the team.'"
Why ? Are you afraid of success ?
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| wards injured do your homework, hardaker will probably come into team but can't see Leeds dropping two tried and tested for two with no experience in that position.
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| That may well be the back-line a few years from now nantwich but not yet especially all at once.
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| Quote ="nantwichexile"Our new backline of course
...now that Webb and McGuire are back on the sidelines.
Delaney and Senior both too damn slow, cumbersome, reluctant to pass to the outside man and prone to awful defensive mistakes between them.
Smith looked composed and back to his best at FB......his long pass for Hall's try wasn't bluddy forward either.
Hall inside with some real pace outside him can only be good.
Wilson deserves his opportunity.
BJB and Watkins will be the competition when they regain fitness.'"
God your posts are boring!
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| It'll give Bradford a game, but that is as far it goes.
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| Quote ="AL Rhino"God your posts are boring!'"
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| can i be the assisstant
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| Quote ="BigJake"can i be the assisstant
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You're hired. Living in the real world with the Al Rhinos of this world is so damn tedious
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| Just out of interest because we keep going on about Senior defensively, and Delaney been slow. But how many tries have we conceeded now from Hall under high crossfield kicks? I might be making a mountain out of a mole hill here, but he seems to drop at least one every single week, and surely we have conceeed over 6 trys' now because of it?
On that basis, why does he always seem to escape critisism? Is it because of the level around him (Senior and Delaney)?
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| Quote ="Gotcha"Just out of interest because we keep going on about Senior defensively, and Delaney been slow. But how many tries have we conceeded now from Hall under high crossfield kicks? I might be making a mountain out of a mole hill here, but he seems to drop at least one every single week, and surely we have conceeed over 6 trys' now because of it?
On that basis, why does he always seem to escape critisism? Is it because of the level around him (Senior and Delaney)?'"
Yes he has conceded a few from kicks but to be fair to him they have been good kicks In that hall has been stationary and the attacking players jumping and moving forward, and I can't ever recall his centre attempting to help and jump for anything!
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| Quote ="Ferdy"Yes he has conceded a few from kicks but to be fair to him they have been good kicks In that hall has been stationary and the attacking players jumping and moving forward, and I can't ever recall his centre attempting to help and jump for anything!'"
I agree his centre not helping, I also agree some of the kicks have been to the advantage of the attacking player. But let's not just clutch at straws for excuses. He's been very much to blame for some of those errors, and you could say with confidence that other players would not have made the same errors.
A ball up high in the air and Hall underneath it, personally I think he is as safe as anybody. But a crossfield kick to him, my butt cheeks twitch everytime, and he shouldn't be imune from critisism.
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| Quote ="Gotcha"I agree his centre not helping, I also agree some of the kicks have been to the advantage of the attacking player. But let's not just clutch at straws for excuses. He's been very much to blame for some of those errors, and you could say with confidence that other players would not have made the same errors.
A ball up high in the air and Hall underneath it, personally I think he is as safe as anybody. But a crossfield kick to him, my butt cheeks twitch everytime, and he shouldn't be imune from critisism.'"
It wouldn't feel right watching Leeds and not !ng myself everytime it's put high cross field. I generally think hall can catch, if there is a issue he seems to be quite flat footed and doesn't seem to get up very high
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| Quote ="Gotcha"Just out of interest because we keep going on about Senior defensively, and Delaney been slow. But how many tries have we conceeded now from Hall under high crossfield kicks? I might be making a mountain out of a mole hill here, but he seems to drop at least one every single week, and surely we have conceeed over 6 trys' now because of it?
On that basis, why does he always seem to escape critisism? Is it because of the level around him (Senior and Delaney)?'"
Because if we dismiss Hall too then we really are struggling in the threequarters..... I said elsewhere - in reality - we played with forwards from numbers 2 to 6 on Saturday.
One reason for suggesting a move inside to centre for Hall is his weakness with dropped ball from kicks out on the wing.
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| Quote ="Gotcha"Just out of interest because we keep going on about Senior defensively, and Delaney been slow. But how many tries have we conceeded now from Hall under high crossfield kicks? I might be making a mountain out of a mole hill here, but he seems to drop at least one every single week, and surely we have conceeed over 6 trys' now because of it?
On that basis, why does he always seem to escape critisism? Is it because of the level around him (Senior and Delaney)?'"
It's worth mentioning.
I made the same point last week:
Quote ="thebloodbath"Hall is one of the best options for an England wing spot, but he has flaws to his games. Ones that opponents are picking into now. His return rate on sorting out a crossfield bomb would probably be 50/50 at best. He is very shaky here'"
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| I think he's defused a number of dangerous kicks.
I believe rather than take the easy option of criticising Hall (not because he's above criticism) we should acknowledge the precison of the kick & the effectiveness of the chaser.
Saturday's effort that led to Cahill's try was excellent by their winger/centre - can't recall who it was - & Cahill was in exactly the right place to pick up the ball when it was forced loose.
Contrast that with Senior's effort later in the same corner.
We didn't credit their winger for putting pressure on him but blamed Senior for not taking it.
You can't have it both ways.
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| Part of the problem is that the kicker as too much time to put the kick where he wants. The advantage is always with the attacking side if you let them have too much time.
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| Quote ="Old Feller"I think he's defused a number of dangerous kicks.
I believe rather than take the easy option of criticising Hall (not because he's above criticism) we should acknowledge the precison of the kick & the effectiveness of the chaser.
Saturday's effort that led to Cahill's try was excellent by their winger/centre - can't recall who it was - & Cahill was in exactly the right place to pick up the ball when it was forced loose.
Contrast that with Senior's effort later in the same corner.
We didn't credit their winger for putting pressure on him but blamed Senior for not taking it.
You can't have it both ways.'"
Nah, dissagree with that. Their player did not take the ball either, Hall actually pushed at the ball on the floor and pushed it straight into their players hands. He only had to put his hand on it to ground it and diffuse the situation. Not to mention the fact that he was leaning backwards in the air to try and take the kick, in other words he got his positioning all wrong.
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| He's no worse under a well placed (and well chased) kick than most wingers in the competition and a damn sight better than some.
The expectation seems to be that he should be catching every single kick that comes out towards his wing, which is highly unrealistic.
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| Quote ="Andy Gilder"He's no worse under a well placed (and well chased) kick than most wingers in the competition and a damn sight better than some.
The expectation seems to be that he should be catching every single kick that comes out towards his wing, which is highly unrealistic.'"
Like I said previously. Under a high straight up kick, I think he is as good as any other winger. The question was to do with the crossfield kick, and more importantly the amount of times he has fluffed it this season. Are all wingers fluffing this type of kick continuously? or don't other wingers have to contend with that type of kick?
Like I said on the other page, if we are having a dig at Seniors defence and Delaney been slow, why is Hall imune from the critisism?
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