Yeah when they get home and look at their CC winners medals they'll think we get away with this cr*p.

Clearly you can't read, my post says "3 of our best players" - notice the s on the end of "player". You are delusional if you think Sinfield is dead wood.

Precisely my point.

The level of performance will also increase over the next few weeks. Why bother putting it in when they don't have to?

Just an opinion ls28, calm down pal.

That wasn't your point. Your point was that McDermott should go and that players are loving that they get away with poor performances.

Despite the showing tonight it would take an incredibly brave or stupid man to think the likes of Jamie Peacock, JJB, Kevin Sinfield, Brett Delaney etc. sit around thinking "thank god our coach lets us off with this". Have you only just recently been introduced to the career of Jamie Peacock???

Losing to 14th, 13th, 12th and 11th in recent times is quite an effort.

Leeds hadn't lost 5 in a row in the league since the club was deemed guilty of unconscious racism.

I suspect the stench of homophobia currently circulating around the club and particularly among it's fanbase is mere coincidence.

Again Leeds got into a winning position, and threw it away in the last quarter. It's hard for the coach to do much with this.

I'll judge mcdermott at the end of the season. He has achieved a hell of a lot with us, but it may be time to shake this up a bit, and get some fresh ideas. We will see

The main stench on here comes from you William

He's the same guy who bigged up cricket even though the 2nd place team put up a Whipping Boy Rabble performance for 3 and a bit days to concede the title.

You've sunk to new lows here to try and draw a rise.

Poor poor effort

I defended him against London, saying he can't be blamed when a lead like that blown.

Not tonight though. For those that didn't go, they may well think from the scoreline we had a winning position, but that's rubbish. We were shocking. Hull were really bad, and we were worse. The whole attitude in this club this season stinks. No pride in the shirt at all, they know their place is guaranteed and play through the motions and when it suits.

I was confident for the play offs this week, but I can't see how they can pick up now. They look shot to pieces, disinterested, and very poor cohesion in the style.

www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/rugby-league/19469741 4 weeks later www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/rugby-league/19805055

www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/rugby-league/19469741 4 weeks later www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/rugby-league/19805055

Quote ="ThePrinter"www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/rugby-league/19469741 4 weeks later www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/rugby-league/19805055'" This side isn't fit enough to lace the boots of that one. You are comparing melons with coal.

Quote ="ThePrinter"www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/rugby-league/19469741 4 weeks later www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/rugby-league/19805055'" This side isn't fit enough to lace the boots of that one. You are comparing melons with coal.

Why? It's basically the same side give or take.

Quote ="ThePrinter"www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/rugby-league/19469741 4 weeks later www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/rugby-league/19805055'" Oh well so as long that is what happened in the past its ok to have our lowest finish in SL for over a decade whilst also losing 5 in a row and to the bottom 4 Teams!

Quote ="ThePrinter"www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/rugby-league/19469741 4 weeks later www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/rugby-league/19805055'" Oh well so as long that is what happened in the past its ok to have our lowest finish in SL for over a decade whilst also losing 5 in a row and to the bottom 4 Teams!

No it's not. It's nothing like. It might have same names on paper, but that is different.

Well explain how it is different then........

Don't get silly now.

Yeah, they went into the playoffs without any major trophies.

Despite our flaws (and I admit we have our flaws) we've just finished our season as the team who was conceded the fewest points, so hardly the shambles some will make out over the next 48 hours I'm sure.

Look back at 2012

Was it losing at Bradford 12-4? Losing at home to Wigan 50-8? Being 30 points down to Warrington after as many minutes? Losing 46-6 to Saints away? Shipping 38 points in defeat to Wakey away? Almost getting 50 past us at Hudds compared to just the 12 this year? That made the side much better? Was it that our sub prop options were so much better with Griffin and Moore to pick from?

If your point is that we've been awful in the regular season for the past four years then you made it very well

No we haven't been awful this year on the whole, maybe the last 5 rounds (actually we did damn well against Saints in the circumstances, so 4).

For a team to concede just over 400 points in a season and be considered "awful" says more about the posters RL knowledge than the team.

P.S. That's not me saying the team is great, as it clearly needs to improve in areas.....but let's not drop to the OTT reactions of 2011/12......do you forget how that ended for you? "Tonight's for you" ring a bell?

Are we talking about the team that comfortably beat Warrington in the semi final of the CC and then the likely winners of the LL shield two weeks later? Or the side that lost to the Bulls and Hull? They have largely the same names on paper but clearly aren't the same side.

I'm not sure the side that beat Warrington in the Cup looked any worse than the one that won the GF against them two years ago. Props two years older - check. Better 1-5 than 2 years ago - check. The rest probably not a whole lot different.