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| Quote ="Luke Leaner"Not my words. Oh no. These are the words of our COACH!
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[i"Leeds head coach Brian McDermott on their heaviest Super League defeat: "There is no simple answer. As crazy as it might sound, I didn't think we were that bad in the first half. We were not miles off, I just think Castleford were white hot."[/i
Wow. The man has done a fine job for the Rhinos over the last few years and that should be recognised, but this is plain delusional.
Of course, the fans will be calling for his head, but that's not how business works - and Leeds Rhinos is a business. The only time Gary H will get rid of him will be when the numbers of fans on the terraces start to dwindle and there's a financial impact on the club. Until then (and as long as we turn up to watch the dross currently served up by the coach and players) BMD stays.'"
A really low crowd against Catalans - with only a handful of away fan there anyway - might focus Gary's mind, and more importantly pocket.
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| Quote ="Sal Paradise"don' think anyone was expecting something as strange as last night
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Nope, but give it a week and i'm sure you or Gotcha will be claiming you predicted it.
A bad loss next week and I can see Mac leaving by "mutual consent".
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| Quote ="craigizzard"A really low crowd against Catalans - with only a handful of away fan there anyway - might focus Gary's mind, and more importantly pocket.'"
There will be a significant degree of insulation on attendances for the time being due to season ticket holders still expectantly turning up hoping to see some decent footy being played. Who may be affected more is those who pick and choose their games who may not be inclined to do so. Away fans may turn up in larger numbers in expectation of a win as a counterbalance.
The danger sign on attendances will be if a couple of thousand season ticket holders decide they can't be @rsed attending. They aren't likely to renew for next season.
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| Quote ="tigertot"McGuire is irrelevant as a player now, so I do not understand the comparison. Gale is head & shoulders the best GB SH now, so he would be massively missed, but I have enough belief that Powell would have worked out a system to avoid the bottom 4. Dependent on other hypothetical injuries, but McShane, Chase, Roberts, Millington, Dorn, Milner could all step up. You just sound like a bitter Rhino.'" Dorn retired
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| Quote ="loiner81"Nope, but give it a week and i'm sure you or Gotcha will be claiming you predicted it.
A bad loss next week and I can see Mac leaving by "mutual consent".'"
Would you give him till next week?
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| Quote ="head"Dorn retired'"
Dorn played last year. Which was the point of the OP. HTH.
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| Quote ="RHINO-MARK"Would you give him till next week?'"
I would but a big loss next week or as poor a performance as last night's and he'd be out.
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| Quote ="tigertot"McGuire is irrelevant as a player now, so I do not understand the comparison. Gale is head & shoulders the best GB SH now, so he would be massively missed, but I have enough belief that Powell would have worked out a system to avoid the bottom 4. Dependent on other hypothetical injuries, but McShane, Chase, Roberts, Millington, Dorn, Milner could all step up. You just sound like a bitter Rhino.'"
If you don't understand try reading a little more of the thread. If I'm honest pal I have never had any interest in anything you post. If you read the actual thread when it comes to Cas I'm far from bitter.
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| Quote ="loiner81"Nope, but give it a week and i'm sure you or Gotcha will be claiming you predicted it.
A bad loss next week and I can see Mac leaving by "mutual consent".'"
Maybe "you" just don't get it right all the time You actually thought Leeds would be competitive even sneak a win - just shows how wrong "you" can be
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| Quote ="sgtwilko" If I'm honest pal I have never had any interest in anything you post.'"
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| Quote ="tigertot"That hurts.'"
I'm sure you will get over it! Think less about me and more about all those trophies you are gonna win as you sweep all aside.
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| Quote ="Sal Paradise"Maybe "you" just don't get it right all the time
You actually thought Leeds would be competitive even sneak a win - just shows how wrong "you" can be
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Quote ="loiner81"If Leeds win on Thursday with Garbutt, Ward, Ablett, Ferres, Galloway, JJB, Peacock & Sinfield all missing does that mean Mac's actually a good coach and this current team are the "real deal" or will it be that Cas weren't trying or had an off night?'"
Quote ="loiner81"Thursday depends on who's injured. If the afore mentioned players are all missing then it's going to be a very tough night. If they all, or at least some of them, make it then I think we can win.'"
None of them made it.
Quote ="loiner81"Stranger things have happened but I think Cas will be too fired up tonight and should be too strong.
Hope we get some bodies back and soon.'"
[u Predictions thread[/u
Quote ="loiner81"CAS 16
HFC 16
STH 18
WIG 20
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WAR 8'"
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| I thought we would be competitive, I thought we might sneak a win. The most frustrating thing is the low level of super league means we don't have to be great to be in with a shot.
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| Quote ="sgtwilko"I'm sure you will get over it! Think less about me and more about all those trophies you are gonna win as you sweep all aside.'"
Anything above mid-table mediocrity still excites me.
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| Quote ="tigertot"Anything above mid-table mediocrity still excites me.'"
I'd happily take mid-table mediocrity right now.
Congratulations on the win, Powell and the team are building something special.
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| The body language behind the sticks from the 1st try onwards spoke volumes. There was just nobody talking, nobody reading the riot act, nobody trying to grab hold of the players. They just looked very accepting of what was happening. That to me was the worst thing about that shambles. I can take watching a hammering, if I at least feel like the players had a dig. That wasn't the case last night.
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| Quote ="WF Rhino"I'd happily take mid-table mediocrity right now.
Congratulations on the win, Powell and the team are building something special.'"
TBH I think Cas had some better players in the early 90s, especially the Kiwis, but this team is better coached. Leeds have enough good players to be comfortably in the top 8, but seem to be mentally destroyed.
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| Whilst we played a severely weakened team (and in the process confirmed how thin our squad is) the loss is not the thing that depresses me. It's the nature of the way in which we lost. To borrow a phrase, we looked like beaten Super league whipping boys from very early in the game. I am not anti McD or Danny McGuire by any stretch of the imagination and I do not write off or ignore the contribution both have made to our glorious past. But I don't see either being able to lead us out of this period of decline on the field. My concern is that if GH doesn't stump up with a plan and the money to turn things around, we will enter a tail spin of year on year decline, smaller revenues and continued decline. If that sounds far fetched, we need look no further than the Bulls to see how low the mighty can fall. We haven't brought in enough quality and we have not developed that which we had. Any organisation in any competitive walk of life that doesn't address those kinds of failings will crash and burn, it's just a matter of when.
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| Quote ="tigertot"TBH I think Cas had some better players in the early 90s, especially the Kiwis, but this team is better coached. Leeds have enough good players to be comfortably in the top 8, but seem to be mentally destroyed.'"
I agree 100%, what's most noticeable is the level of improvement the Cas coaching team get out of players. McMeeken was an agressive, athletic lump but now he's the complete back rower and should be in the England World Cup squad. Hardaker has rediscovered his running game and can now make a decision close to the opponent's line. Greg Eden can actually bloody catch!
Contrast that to the Leeds squad who have forgotten how to run lines and number up in defence since 2015 and it's no surprise that our fortunes have reversed.
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| Quote ="Fat Boy"...
Back in the early 2000's we had a massive shake-up, removed a lot of the old rot and revivalist the entire team and look what happened? We need to do the same now - remove whats left of the old guard and start again... whats the worse that can happen; get our @rses handed to us by Cas?'"
We could do that then because there was no promotion/relegation.
Unfortunately, the club cannot go through wholesale upheaval since that could lead to the unthinkable - the Rhinos being relegated.
However, it seems to me that we're damned if we do & damned if we don't.
Maybe, we all need to calm down a little & see how we go against the Dragons. But I fear their pack could monster ours without a massive change in attitude.
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| Fitter, faster and stronger by 2 country miles, meaning they absolutely dominated collisions, PTBs and therefore the game - Leeds looked like lambs to the slaughter from kick off. Throw in more skilful players, better defensive structure, better attacking structure and a better attitude, and that explains the result.
Parcell is the only one with any zip or danger, if I were him, I'd be seriously considering doing a Chicko - this team look dreadful, are dreadfully conditioned and dreadfully coached. Too many players who are either past it, or never have/never will be the required standard of a team challenging for honours, supported by no or awful structure.
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| Quote ="William Eve"Blimey! After the shambles of last season and the drift away of regulars who couldn't handle what the Leeds team had become, we finally have a returnee! Welcome back Fat Boy
Take yer time G1, El Diablo, Nantwichexile, Gilder, Soprano, etc
Have Leeds qualified for the Whipping Boy SL Rabble tag yet?'"
Just thought I'd pop by to see if there still any morons who could possibly defend our coach or his strange and confusing tactics.
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| Quote ="Old Feller"We could do that then because there was no promotion/relegation.
Unfortunately, the club cannot go through wholesale upheaval since that could lead to the unthinkable - the Rhinos being relegated.
However, it seems to me that we're damned if we do & damned if we don't.
Maybe, we all need to calm down a little & see how we go against the Dragons. But I fear their pack could monster ours without a massive change in attitude.'"
What could possible be worse than last night? If we continue with that sort of performance we'll be in the Championship next year without doubt. we came might close last year and we've changed very little. Staying as is could also very easily lead to the unthinkable too.
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| Quote ="Fat Boy"Just thought I'd pop by to see if there still any morons who could possibly defend our coach or his strange and confusing tactics.'"
You don't need to look far mate, still happens.
To be fair though, we really need some unity now as fans. I don't believe the people are really that stupid, except for one, and everyone if been fair realise he needs replacing. No need for us all having a go at one another, we all want the same thing.
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| REWARD OFFERED - 1 team gone missing, last seen doing WINNING the treble in 2015. If you have seen them please contact the club without delay!
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