Bugger, I turned that game off just after half time

I was at the game yesterday & thought that JP played the full 80 but when I watched the repeat on Sky it is clear that he went off to be replaced by Kirke on 14 but was only off for about 15 minutes. He then played the remainder of the game in that heat. A remarkable performance that merited MoM.
The fact that many posters thought he'd played the entire game highlights the inadequate way that substitutions are advertised to the spectators. Something for the RFL maybe to consider?

And many are calling for moz to be mos where peacock is outplaying him week in week out, I do conceed jp has spent more time on the side line so far this season.

I was responding to the chap who said "another season" was going down the tubes fore wire. Obviously ignoring our cup win last year. Selective memory? You bet! I have to chuckle at leeds fans having a pop at wire for under achieving though. Before Tony Smith took over leeds you were renowned world wide as the biggest under achieving chokers in RL history. Millions upon millions spent,poop all won. Oh how some have desperately short memories when it suits them!

JP deffo left the field at some point.

Subbed at least once.

Very true

You too have a desperately short memory it would appear. Smith was certainly the catalyst but what we've acheived recently has been down to Gary Hetherington more than any other individual. The groundwork for these three consecutive titles was laid in about 1997, not 2004 when Smith took over a team that had finished 2nd in the league and runners up in the CC.

Just watched a replay of the game, and for what it's worth SKY's substitute bar shows Peacock was brought back onto the field for Kirke on 62 minutes. I accept the timing by SKY isn't accurate but it's definitely there.

Agree completely with tvoc regarding Warrington and their inability to win against the big teams. They've flattered to deceive so far this season with defeats (albeit narrow) against all the main runners for SL, and until they win a game of that magnitude they won't ever be serious challengers.



I agree with the sentiment, although I don't rate Briers as highly as you seem to. Although I accept he is capable of producing some outstanding plays he is far too inconsistent for a team with the ambition that Warrington seem to have. That said I wouldn't dream of moving Monaghan into the halves - he is far more effective at hooker and I also put Clarke in the same bracket as Briers - Smith should be looking to move them both on IMO.

It may also interest you to learn that when Peacock returned in the first half he replaced the magnificent Bailey.

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Try reading the view I gave of Warrington's Challenge Cup triumph last season and see why, IMO, it may not have been the breakthrough you appear to think it was.



If you'd followed the thread you'd have seen the above poster also make several references to Leeds' previous 'prima donna' like tendencies. It's living through those times that informs the view that Warrington will fall by the wayside just have they have for the previous 54 seasons in the Championship. Beating St Helens in a meaningful match would be a start.

'Millions and millions spent'.

Ah, don't you love recieved wisdom.

Well I am not even trying to think back here,but I well remember you spending a hell of a lot of money to buy several players from wigan(who had obviously decided it was time to move them on). Hanley was the most expensive,and the money wigan received from leeds providing the bulk of the transfer fee which took offiah to central park. Offiah then ran in 10 tries against you in a premiership final. Bad move leeds,you should have gone for offiah not hanley. If hanley had still been a force there is no way wigan would have let him leave. Many more cast offs were signed(not on the cheap either if I recall right)from widnes. So overall over many years yes,millions spent. Zilch won.

Is this the spent force Hanley that ended up as the top try scorer for a forward?

The sentiment may be on the right lines, but there are more holes in that paragraph than in a block of Swiss cheese.

And now we have rewritten the history books with our unparralled success in a salary capped era!

I hope where you work you don't rely on doing figures!


So other than Hanley who did we spend all this money on in transfers?

Ironic that he should reference how Leeds used to build their "team" as he currently watches a Warrington team with players like Bridge, Hicks, King, Briers, Monahan, Carvell, Higham, Atkins, Solomona, Myler, Westwood, Anderson (x2) and the Leeds produced Morley, Carvell and Mathers. Some money spent there and not a lot of it on Academy products. Meanwhile, his heroes don't seem to be able to overcome the three teams that are producing plenty of fine young English talent at Leeds, WIgan and Saints.

Is that the fine young talent that lost 94-6 to wire on sunday then??????????

Nope, it's the fine young talent that won 37-30 at Warrington Sunday.

Do you really want to get into a p[iiss[/iing contest about who has the best production line? There were 10 Leeds Academy products on the field Sunday, 2 of them wearing Primrose.

Hanley cost Leeds £250K (a record for a RL forward at that time) and worth every last penny IMO. When he left Leeds 4 years later to play once again in the ARL he did so with a Leeds record of: Played 113 + 1, Tries 106, Goals 1, Drop Goals 1, Points 427.

Offiah cost Wigan £440K (a record for any rugby league player at that time) and also worth every penny.



It could have been worse, Leeds could of lost in the quarter final at Wilderspool (drew 18-18 thanks to a late Schofield drop goal and eased through the replay 22 - 8 with Mercer playing his last game for the Wire before joining big spending Leeds) and not made the semi final at Central Park where Offiah was majestic.



Why?

The players at that stage of their careers couldn't have been further apart in what they brought to the table. Both greats but there the similarity ends. Leeds' mistake was not signing both.




Hanley's record at Leeds clearly shows he was far from finished. Had Opta been around in the early 90's it would have blown a fuse if someone had compared Hanley to his replacement at Wigan - Mike Forshaw.



Are these millions on transfers or do they include contracts?

In a sport prior to the introduction of a salary cap on wages, many clubs were spending themselves in to oblivion, Leeds included but they were not alone.

I think I need to reopen the gloit of the week competition.

Taking lectures from a supporter of a team who buy Australian players on very short term contracts specifically for the end of season play-offs is almost the perfect definition of irony.

Didn't he also beat Bob Eccles 40 tries in a season for a forward record as well while at Leeds?

I heard a few stories about Leeds attempts to sign Offiah from Widnes when Dougie was in charge. I won't repeat them as they all involve severe critiques of a certain person's IQ (although it's hard to argue that despite it's alledgedly low number, that person did make the best choice in the end).

Bob Haigh scored 40 for Leeds. Did Bob Eccles manage to beat that? I think he probably did, early eighties, but there was some skullduggery at play with Warrington team-mates giving him the ball to touch down after crossing the line towards the end of the season.

Not that Hanley was completely above such measures either after receiving a similar pass from Schofield for one of his. He still didn't select him in a Test that cost Schoey the outright GB caps record. Nice touch as Schoey deserved the place, IMO.

Greg Mackey ripped us a new one in that first game IIRC.

Wasn't Des Drummond sent off for stamping in the replay, or was that in the first game?