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| Or you could get yourself over to sunny Spain where family values are still important, the people friendly and laid back, the Mediterranean diet healthy and you can still get a cheap flight back to God's own county to take in a match when the mood takes you. 
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| Quote ="William Eve"Indeed, embrace the neoliberal culture over there. work hard, work all hours, work till you drop, earn lots of dosh, buy lots of stuff with said dosh. Define yourself by all that stuff you've got. The opportunities exist there for all that and more. But at a huge cost to oneself and to others.'"
Must remember these posts the next time you go on about your free coffee at Waitrose and what postcode people live in 
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| Quote ="Juan Cornetto"
So I take it that this is a yes then?. And that you agree with my figure of 17 tackles in the game, which at double that Hardaker average, is high and is rather unusual for someone who you say avoids the physical side of the game and avoids contact and lacks bravery!
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I can see from watching the opening half where Opta could eventually reach a figure of 17 tackles for Golding on Friday. The majority in the half I reviewed came about through adding weight as third man into tackles already in progress within roughly ten metres of the goal-line. The reason for the higher than usual count I would imagine came from the prolonged spell of goal-line defence through repeat sets, conceding penalties and unusually for Leeds this season some resiliance. Golding adding weight as third man in to help control the ruck speed was smart but not requiring any particular bravery. Therefore the high count of itself when put into the game context doesn't help with that particular discussion, IMO.
Quote It is somewhat churlish of you to still try and deride that high tackle count which were made according to the same tackle rules and counts as everyone else in SL. Seeing as you mention a number of his tackles were in goal-line defense you have not accepted my point that he was involved in at least two try saving tackles one of which was a one on one effort.'"
I've described the nature of the majority that I found on review and that I imagine contributed to the higher than average figure overall. If you take issue with my explanation and the extent of Golding's involvement then we can go through them one by one. You are right to highlight any try savers and one on one efforts, they are the quality indicators within a game as were the high kicks he did take including one with a good return attached. Unfortunately introducing Opta raw statistics without reference to how they are derived clouds the discussion.
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| Quote ="William Eve"I'd stay exactly where you are if I were you and make sure you prioritise what is really important in life. [uTip[/u: It ain't consumerism, selfishness and greed. That's just stuff which has a price tag but no intrinsic value.
I was merely pointing out that Australia is a victim of a culture of unbridled neoliberal financial market driven ideology which increasingly works for the few (haves) at the expense of the many (have nots). It's an ideological affliction affecting mainly English speaking western nations who have embraced it - USA (the main ideological driver), Canada, UK, Australia and New Zealand.
I guess it may be hard to believe for some but there's evidence that the populations of the five nations above are the unhappiest and most emotionally distressed in the world. Leeds current position of 12th and bottom on the SL ladder may well be deemed a welcome distraction, believe it or not
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Again mate, the bit you are pointing out about Aus is bang on in my opinion. My bull$hit detector needs to be on 24/7 and my working class up brining and Yorkshire values keep me grounded. My Northerness gives me a good sense of perspective navigating those cultural issues and consumed individuals I meet.
There are amazing things about life here that I simply couldn't give my family back home and some down right horrible things that make me realise Leeds/yorkshire/UK still has a lot over Aus.
If I come back or spend the rest of my life here Leeds will always be home.
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| Quote ="ThePrinter"Must remember these posts the next time you go on about your free coffee at Waitrose and what postcode people live in
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Waitrose is a bit like Iestyn Harris, it's bringing down the enemy from within. Though I suspect Bradford was a significantly easier target than neoliberalism.
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| Quote ="William Eve"Indeed, embrace the neoliberal culture over there. work hard, work all hours, work till you drop, earn lots of dosh, buy lots of stuff with said dosh. Define yourself by all that stuff you've got. The opportunities exist there for all that and more. But at a huge cost to oneself and to others.'"
He works very hard but he plays very hard too and he has the finances to do so. He has saved a significant amount of money which was part of the rationale for going in the first place
There are compromises: the home sickness at the beginning was very tough but with facetime/skpe that is manageable, a five hour drive to work and living in digs whilst on shift isn't ideal.
There is also the challenge of being to adapt to new environment can you stick it out especially for the young he was 22 when he went. Can you fulfill the commitment you made to yourself?
There are opportunities for self development - he is an hour from the barrier reef, close to Whitehaven beach - three hours to Melbourne etc. It isn't all consumerism.
Dan is taking a month off - flying to Melbourne, driving down the Ocean Rd to Adelaide than driving across Australia to Darwin then round the coast to Perth flying back to Mackay - tough to get that kind of life experience sitting in your house in Leeds. Sometimes you have take a chance if you want to really see what your made of and broaden your horizons
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| Quote ="Him"Waitrose is a bit like Iestyn Harris, it's bringing down the enemy from within. Though I suspect Bradford was a significantly easier target than neoliberalism.'"
Unlike Harris, it's also failing to bring anything down but itself if the closure of the central Leeds branch is anything to go by.
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| Quote ="Juan Cornetto"Or you could get yourself over to sunny Spain where family values are still important, the people friendly and laid back, the Mediterranean diet healthy and you can still get a cheap flight back to God's own county to take in a match when the mood takes you.
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And still be able to use your vote for UKIP and Brexit like the other expats.
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| Quote ="craigizzard"And still be able to use your vote for UKIP and Brexit like the other expats.'"
Most expats want us to stay in - especially those living on Gibraltor
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| Quote ="Andy Gilder"Unlike Harris, it's also failing to bring anything down but itself if the closure of the central Leeds branch is anything to go by.'"
A strange thought given the same group is opening a huge store less than 10 minutes walk away?
Capitalism alive and kicking - thank goodness
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| Quote ="craigizzard"And still be able to use your vote for UKIP and Brexit like the other expats.'"
Of course why not!
I have lived and worked over here since 2002 apart from a taking a gap 3 years to spend time with our new grandchildren in Morayshire recently. We even voted in the Scottish referendum but that was to stay in! 
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| Quote ="Sal Paradise"A strange thought given the same group is opening a huge store less than 10 minutes walk away?
Capitalism alive and kicking - thank goodness'"
As you probably know, Waitrose & John Lewis are unique amongst major retailers by being owned by their employees thanks to the foresight & beneficence of their founder.
Therefore not the normal capitalist model.
Possibly one of the reasons why W E shops there.
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| Quote ="Old Feller"As you probably know, Waitrose & John Lewis are unique amongst major retailers by being owned by their employees thanks to the foresight & beneficence of their founder.
Therefore not the normal capitalist model.
Possibly one of the reasons why W E shops there.'"
I seem to remember half a thread on this the last time it came up.
Our town (we don't live there but it's where the kids go to school) is very old, small and wealthy, a bit like the population by the looks of things in the barbers this morning. We have a Co-op's and a Waitrose. The Co-op is the place I go and pretend it's 1987 and I'm back on the dole and the Waitrose is where I go to be wallet raped.
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| Quote ="Juan Cornetto"Of course why not!
I have lived and worked over here since 2002 apart from a taking a gap 3 years to spend time with our new grandchildren in Morayshire recently. We even voted in the Scottish referendum but that was to stay in!
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| Some proper old school thread drift here. Well done. Makes me feel all nostalgic.
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| Quote ="gulfcoast_highwayman"Some proper old school thread drift here. Well done. Makes me feel all nostalgic.'"
Well you can always rely on William and his follower Sal drifting a thread towards Australia or along the lines of how cr@p things are. Tried likewise on the Lilley thread and even the Millward RIP thread they had to get in sly "back when we could produce proper quality" barbs on a thread designed to pay respect to somebody who has passed away, not have a concealed dig about today's product, but nothing surprises me about their lack of class.
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| Quote ="craigizzard"Bet you get a winter fuel payment to heat your swimming pool too...'"
No need the sun heats the pool. As it happens I don't get the winter fuel payment because I wasn't retirement age when we first came here so I miss out. However I do not begrudge those that do because it is a supplement to what is a low basic pension and although there are 320 days of sunshine p.a. houses still need heating in the evenings for 3 winter months and unlike you need air conditioning in 3 summer months. So why should pensioners that worked and paid into the pot for the full quota be penalised just because they choose to spend their retirement in the sunshine?
For the record many pensioners living in Spain are taxed at source in the UK and I pay personal tax in Spain and company tax in the UK. I would guess that the majority of expats here will vote to remain because of the risk of losing the excellent free health care. I favour democracy and therefore Brexit.
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| At present I'm minded not to vote in the Conservative leadership campaign.
Cameron claimed he'd be prepared to lead the leave campaign if he didn't get what he was asking for (which was next to nowt to begin with) he didn't and now claims the country will implode if we leave.
If leaving is going to be so disastrous why would any sane government open the exit door or take any notice of an adverse result.
None of it makes any sense.
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| Quote ="tvoc"At present I'm minded not to vote in the Conservative leadership campaign.
Cameron claimed he'd be prepared to lead the leave campaign if he didn't get what he was asking for (which was next to nowt to begin with) he didn't and now claims the country will implode if we leave.
If leaving is going to be so disastrous why would any sane government open the exit door or take any notice of an adverse result.
None of it makes any sense.'"
Nail on the head.
This EU referendum is all about the Tories and the leadership of the party.
More specifically, it's becoming a spat between two former Bullingdon Club members.
Stay or Go? Doesn't matter. We'll still get shafted either way. Choice between two neoliberal paths ain't a choice IMO.
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| Quote ="William Eve"Nail on the head.
This EU referendum is all about the Tories and the leadership of the party.
More specifically, it's becoming a spat between two former Bullingdon Club members.
Stay or Go? Doesn't matter. We'll still get shafted either way. Choice between two neoliberal paths ain't a choice IMO.'"
Absolutely.
Makes me laugh when people stay we need to grab back our sovereignity and democracy. Do they really think it will make a blind bit of difference to their average Joe who gives a toss about your lives? FPTP is hardly a beacon of democracy. If voting could really change anything it would be made illegal. Bring on a USE for me, if only to fuk off the Tories. Labour is dead now with the rise of SNP and the boundary changes
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| Care not for voting or whose in charge, I'm doing a good job of looking after myself regardless of whose running the country. Those that b*tch and whine about it should look at themselves, because if they did things right it wouldn't matter which party ran the country.
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| Quote ="ThePrinter"Care not for voting or whose in charge, I'm doing a good job of looking after myself regardless of whose running the country. Those that b*tch and whine about it should look at themselves, because if they did things right it wouldn't matter which party ran the country.'"
Good luck looking after yourself if you fall badly ill.
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| Quote ="craigizzard"Good luck looking after yourself if you fall badly ill.'"
Yet I won't fair any worst than those who do vote.
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| Quote ="ThePrinter"Care not for voting or whose in charge, I'm doing a good job of looking after myself regardless of whose running the country. Those that b*tch and whine about it should look at themselves, because if they did things right it wouldn't matter which party ran the country.'"
Bullsh|t.
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| Quote ="nantwichexile"Absolutely.
Makes me laugh when people stay we need to grab back our sovereignity and democracy. Do they really think it will make a blind bit of difference to their average Joe who gives a toss about your lives? FPTP is hardly a beacon of democracy. If voting could really change anything it would be made illegal. Bring on a USE for me, if only to fuk off the Tories. Labour is dead now with the rise of SNP and the boundary changes'"
Yep, exactly.
I'm more concerned about TTIP and so should everyone else.
Do we get to vote on that horrific and sinister piece of corporate takeover?
Of course we don't.
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