Yes that team finished 5th in the qualifying competition but finished in 1st place in the big one to decide the Champions. They were only just pipped into 2nd place in the Cup.

So that is why Leeds are the number ONE team this year.

So why did you say "ask the Bloodbath"?

Yet again you offer nothing positive. I ask you once more who would you choose to replace JJB?

I got what he meant. Easy, actually.

What's with all your huffing and puffing?

Don't you have the Ben Cross saga to still be

over?

Spot on.

He has been poor against week opposition. So has to be dropped. No brainer. He's played his way out of the team.

To be fair, I couldn't sing our National Anthem with any pride or passion.

I'm not suggesting selecting Ablett but I do vehemently disagree with the statement above. Ablett offers much, much more than lightweight softcock Wilkin.

Personally I would rather have Ablett than Wilkin, what I am suggesting is that given where our coach has laid his cards he obviously prefers what Wilkin offers over that of Ablett. Both offer a good option at second row, with versatility to play in the backs if required. Wilkin has the advantage of more test experience (and losing GFs)

There is one area where Wilkin is far superior to Ablett. That area is whining. When the TV cameras went into the Saints changing rooms in '09 at half time during the third consecutive Grand Ffinal they lost to us he whined, when Bailey was celebrating to the Leeds fans after Leeds beat them for the 4th time in this years Grand Final, he whined.

When Ablett had his face rearranged at Huddersfield, he didn't make any mention of it.

One of them is a whiny bitch, and the other is a tough competitor. I know which is needed against the Aussies and Kiwis.

Someone recently described Jon Wilkin to me as "Diet Kevin Sinfield", I think that's hard on Kevin Sinfield...

What John 'Im In The Form Of My Life' Wilkin?

He's a far better poster boy than a forward.

He's clearly had a cr*p life.
Born in Hull, 6(?) times grand final loser would endorse that.

So what did he mean then?

Shame ! If only you had decided to ask me TWICE more

I have always assumed that your lack of clear positive vision was because of the chemical smog that drifts over Nantwich from Widnes. Is it getting worse?

England unchanged for Australia game. Wilkin still in: no Bailey or Carvell. Widdop bench.

Thought the coach wanted to implement change?

Jon Wilkin - Won 1 (2006), Lost 5 (2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011)

So to confirm, he is a loser? A soft-cock one at that.

I wonder how many wino's fans were saying he wasnt good enough when they thought he was signing for Leeds. Not many I bet, he did'nt get voted man of steel by the players for nothing. Saying he is not good enough is a joke, lets see if your still saying that after the Aussie game.

Most overrated player in SL by some distance. Absoulutely laughable how he won MOS, can anyone recall him having a good game against a top 4 side??

Cheers, I knew you'd correct me if I was wrong so I didn't bother to look up the facts for myself.

Quite a few, to be fair.

Wigan draw, lost to saints away by 2 and I seem to remember him scoring an excellent try against you lot in the challenge cup. so are u saying u wouldn't have him at Leeds

I wouldn't go that far, I just might not swap what we already had. But you asked how many Leeds fans said they didn't rate him when the rumours were circulating. You could dig out the thread if you like, but I can assure you that not everyone around here thought it was a good idea.

I'd have been quite happy to sign him, but you weren't asking about me.

For the record, I also wouldn't change the England team at the moment. And also, if you read the thread, quite a lot of it has moved onto debating options in the pack, so you're really arguing with the original poster, not any sort of consensus opinion.

Let me guess all the Leeds fans want Bailey in the pack. Carvell would be my first choice.

We also all want Smith at full back and Diskin at 9.