Go on then Gotcha, give me some examples of when he's "fluffed" one of these crossfield kicks.

He's been outjumped a couple of times (Shenton against Saints at home, Ah Van at Odsal and on Saturday) but that's sport. Sometimes, the other guy is going to do something better than you and get the reward for it.

I'm pretty sure he's not had to deal with just those three kicks of that nature during the course of the season but the ones he's handled don't stick in the memory.

You have just named 3 yourself. I was asking the question on the other page, how many has it been? by my reckoning there has been 6 try's conceeded exactly the same (but might be confusing with errors there), but it's more a case that it appears that it has happened every single week, without try's scored off all. I did say am I making a mountain out of a molehill, and not professing to being right. I also asked, is it just been ignored because of who is playing around him?

How many back to back sets of tackles has the oppossition received this season because of the same error?

It's not a witchhunt on Hall, he still gives a lot more than he conceedes. I am just pointing out why he is immune from critisism but others seem to get it.

I'm with this.

I think Hall has been superb under the high ball in his career. I think his percentages have dropped off a little this season but he's still one of the better players in the league at dealing with these kicks, though he's going through a slight sticky patch.

I'm not in the least bit concerned. Hall is the complete player and, IMO, the best winger in the competition, by some distance.

You sure you can honestly say that without blinkers on Gareth?

He is certainly a damn good winger. But he is miles behind Briscoe, Watkins, Monaghan, and Foster =#FF0040so far this season, in that position.

That's my opinion. He's fast, strong, has a great engine, makes great metres clearing the line and has a try scoring record second to none. I wouldn't swap him for anyone in that list (though I'd be happy to see Briscoe on the other wing).

Agreed on the metres. Although because of Leeds tactics he does do an anwful lot more carries than any other winger in the league. And been the biggest of them all you would expect that. Not that it matters, because it's what he does for Leeds that counts. So drop Foster off the list I said because his metres are not all that special.

Briscoe is certainly above Hall in all facets this year so far though. Who's that Salford lad aswell again that you sometimes mention?

His stats are more than comparable, especially consdiering the side he plays for.

Not sure. His biggest supporter only produces his stats once every six or seven weeks after an impressive display. Most weeks they don't appear on the stats thread.

I've noticed that over recent weeks. He doesn't seem to jump enough. He was always a dead cert to take high balls in my book partly because of his height, and secondly because of him having a unique 'above the head' bomb taking technique. Now I think that technique has become a little more widely taught / adopted, and suddenly people are out-jumping him. It may be that because of his size he is not able to get off the floor as efficiently as other wingers

Agreed. I noticed that too. We even called it 'The Ryan Hall Catch' in our house, and mention it when other wingers did it.

He used to jump, and catch it with his arms above his head, like a basketball player. Now, he's reverted to the old 'breadbasket' catch and even stopped jumping too! Don't know what's happened.

If that's the only thing he needs to brush up on then considering his tryscoring record I don't think it's too much to worry about.

It's all very well outjumping him for the ball, but when you land he'll be there. It'd be interesting to see how many opposition wingers have been launched into touch having taken a high ball
ahead of Hall.

What is your evidence for making that statement?

What is your evidence for saying that?
I don't have an issue with Briscoe, I think he's an excellent winger who IMV would strengthen any Team in superleague.

For me hall and briscoe are the best two wingers for England shirt and both up there as best in SL

we must remeber that a winger running and jumping will get higher than staning and springing up and like others have said it is about kick pressure to take away accuracy from the kicking team.

in a way NE may have a point we seem to be getting a few injuries to some of the old guard and saints have done okay with the kids they put in they get experience by playing but that is what the coach is paid to do by blooding youngsters for the future & winning with a successful team

Actually, yes I am



I don't post to regularly on here but i do read it every day. Nothing persoanl, but your posts infuriate me to the point where i feel i just have to post.

You always insist on bring in unproven kids, changing watkins to LC and now you want to move Hall to centre! its a joke.

I am with Gareth on this one. Hall is without a doubt one of the top 2 wingers in the comp and i would not change him for any other winger. Sometimes i think we take him for granted a little bit. he should remain exactly where he is out side uncle Keith.

Broughton's stats never appear or belong on the weekly Leeds stat thread unless:

1) Leeds are playing Salford

or

2) There had been some discussion concerning a Broughton performance.

I offered to include Broughton's stats the following week but you didn't reply (which I took as a 'meh' response) so have left them off ever since.

Would you like me to include them weekly? Anyone else, Gibson, Diskin ect ?

Others can be made available on request with prior notice.

Or

3) He's had a pretty good game so you think it proves your point.

I'm not too concerned to see them. I arrive at an opinion when I see him play us or when Salford are on the telly (if I can stay awake during such fare).

I'm sorry of I didn't reply to you. I get a lot of posts on here that require my attention and it's not always easy to keep up, especially during the weeks when the Buderus worship requires some tempering.

You have no evidence to back that up other than the second reference point in my reply.

I'd include them every week if your (3) was a qualifying criteria.



In which case I'll continue to leave them off (reference (1) above excepted) until you request otherwise. If I was looking to point score I'd be pro-active, which I'm not, so I remain reactive.



I appreciate you're a busy man and have many fans to appease. Apology accepted although a little more grovelling would be appreciated in future.

Pah.

You do requests? Do you know "peeping through the knot hole of my father's wooden leg?
I'm quite popular around these parts. recently juanc ornetto and unremarkable rhinos [size=50(she'll love that one)[/size have taken a shine.

I get asked for a lot of those on here these days. I might as well be offline speaking to the wife if all I am going to do is be told I am wrong and I should apologise.

Foster is a carthorse from what I've seen. Briscoe could be OK, but even putting Watkins on the list as a better winger than Hall is bizarre given he hasn't actually achieved anything for Leeds yet (4 tries against Wakey hardly counts).

Hall could look at the way he deals with kicks. I hope he is. One way I've seen wingers deal with the stationary issue is to purposely run a few yards out of position when a kick is made, allowing them to run/jump at the ball. Sometimes though it just isn't possible.

FWIW I think Hall's pretty solid, although if England had any star wingers he wouldn't get picked.

No problem



But you are no doubt a traditionalist who does not like change. Bet you go to the same B&B at the same resort same time every year



I am simply an advocate of giving the young uns a chance (sorry if that "infuriates" you).

The club made the mistake recently in losing one good young un at least (Broughton)...I don't want to see the same mistake being made again owing to a persistence in selecting old past their best individuals, or worse, average at best antipodeans.

Please, please, PLEASE for the love of God do NOT include Diskin's stats weekly. I really don't think I can handle a weekly comparison discussion.

Might as well have the stats the diskin comparrison happens every week anyway

<Condescending David Cameron Mode On>

Calm down dear.

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I intend to avoid all situations until I die, at which point, somebody else can deal with them.

It's a skill.