111 unanswered points in two games.

Worst defeat in super league history

First time we've conceded 50 points in back to back games since 1996

First time we've been nilled in back to back games in the super league era

Recruitment barely underway

Absolutely shameful. Smith has to be on very very thin ice

Smith obviously has to front up for that loss, but we need to look beyond him at some of the individual 'efforts' by senior players. We had no halfbacks again, so to have a chance of even competing the forwards have to have a big crack. None of them did, and our quite experienced threequarter line looked like an amateur team as well.

The scale of the defeat says a lot about the way the squad has fallen apart. There are still a fair few in that team who won't be here next season, and a bunch more who won't be first choice if they stay. I'd imagine team spirit is almost non-existent now, and the season just can't end fast enough.

I'd hope we get some kind of response next week, but the senior players gave up a week ago. Unfortunately we have no depth at all to make changes. Smith could pick Edgell etc but unless the senior pros stand up the 'experience' will be pointless aside from getting battered in front of a crowd. His choices boil down to just playing as close to the same 17 and hope some sort of pride in performance kicks in, or picking a bunch of kids who'll at least try. Either way another big defeat looks likely.

I agree but nobody else does given the reaction to a similar post I made early in nthe season!

Wehave the most expensive tickets in superleague to watch the worst team

JJB was awful as coach. He was probably better than Agar, but as Agar admitted that the team had stopped listening to him that's not saying much. We won two, drew one and lost three games on JJB's watch, with the two wins being against Toulouse and KR, who were far weaker than this year. Smith may not have done well this year but its a ridiculous re-writing of history to suggest he wasn't responsible for the turnaround last season.

Yeah, but you have a smashing stadium

Anyone that didn't have a bet on Catalans -24 was a fool, talk about easy money!!

Donaldson got a penalty for a high shot - seems to be his only attribute. How can a player with so little to offer get a contract extension at an elite club?

We have far bigger problems than giving Donaldson a contract extension

Go back and re read, I was posting during and after the game. Not gonna disappear like you do after a win

We have no money to rebuild to squad as we are mortgaged to the hilt for 40 years with 2 new stands, and season ticket sales will dwindle now too.

Watched the game at the pub and even with the beer and other distractions it was a terrible watch. Sometimes in sport, and in life, you have to take your medicine. We have had two doses against Wigan and Catalans and we'll be in for a 3rd next week. We're about to hit rock bottom. The remaining incomings for next year will have to absolutely top class to get us moving in the right direction again.

I hope You’re right about the rock bottom and the incomings. If you’re not on the latter, you’re probably not on the former either.

It would be just like the Dougie Laughton appointment and Wane's time as a player at Leeds , if their heart is not in it then it will never work

Anyone think Danny Ward might find his way back to Leeds in the end?

Cluesy we need you more positive mate. We may get beaten by Cas too because our team is routed. It’s a really tough call to put academy lads in when the physicality gap is so big to open age and the crowd are booing our own players. Not sure where RS can go with selection.

I was surprised it took ward so long to take another top job. He certainly did well in adversity in London and then has pulled a free falling cas team back together. Granted they only had to be better than Wakefield but at the time it looked like wakey were on the up and cas were done.

He just seems a smart bloke and a good communicator with a sense of humour but a bit of steel to him too.

Obvious ex Leeds links. I still against all the odds think RS might bring it back on track next year but… he won’t be given all the time in the world either.

Not really sure what people were expecting yesterday. People are calling out senior players, which ones? They've all left or are injured. Walters was suspended but still isn't a senior player.
The squad is the issue and needs resolving. The sooner the season is over with no more injuries the better.
The players out there I think gave their all for both of the last 2 games. That's a big difference to McDermott's final games.

RS has a big challenge for next week.

Do we rein it right in and try to avoid another beating? Or do we play at them and take some risks?

Just not sure we have the squad or confidence for plan B. We will see.

I'm amazed people think a coach who has been so inept and out of his depth is going to transform the team next season

I have to say I dont think some did give their all for the full 80 mins. I can think of occasions where Smith, Holroyd, Oledski and Newman all stood off tackle just sticking an arm out. McMeeken just seemed to stand up in every tackle almost laughing at them.

Totally agree with you regarding Smith, several weeks ago I would have said give him another season . I have changed my opinion he should go the sooner the better. We are at rock bottom no decent signings on the horizon, it’s quite bizarre that after losing 15 games he is still in his post.
Let’s not forget we were extremely lucky to beat Warrington that would have made our position even worse. The two poorest teams in the league cas and Wakefield have both defeated us. Obviously the rest of the league will be having a good laugh at our expense and why not. However a weak Leeds team will be a disaster for super league. It will mean years of Wigan/Saints domination not an ideal scenario for the neutral observer.
Sadly this situation is not an overnight fix we are that bad , ironic we are the best supported team in the league. What an absolute shambles.

Well, he transformed the team once. Admittedly it is going to be a much bigger ask next season, but he has time. All we can do is wait and see who we sign, and how the team go early next season. If Smith continues to disappoint I'm sure it won't be long before he's shown the door.

I have no idea how the changes Smith is supposedly leading behind the scenes at the club are going. If he's making a really positive change there it should start to bear more fruit for the first team at some point, but if it is more spin from the likes of GH and JJB then no doubt we'll start hearing more stories about things not working.

RS has got rid of a huge amount of dead wood (Sutcliffe, Dwyer etc) and is trying to bring in a better quality roster.

Miller looks okay although my worry is his D; Frawley has been playing finals first grade in the NRL. Goudemand no idea.

McDonnell has been a really good find.

The big signings are still to come with the 7 and 4. There are a couple of options out there so let’s see what we come up with.

Gone are the days where Leeds can just sign a Peacock or Buderus or Harris to spur us on. We need to accept that.

However we do desperately need a couple of under-radar signings like Leuluai and Donald and maybe Garbutt.

The only really way Leeds are gonna compete again sustainably is through the youth development and we simply haven’t produced enough quality there for a decade.

Smith, Holroyd and Oledski must be knackered. Newman doesn't seem settled but not sure what he can do with no real pack and no half backs. It's certainly a mess.