Sorry for giving you the frowning, Loiner. I agree.

I say it every week and get shot down. Missed that mongrel massively tonight as we don’t get it from soft cock$ Oledzki or Holroyd.

That`s got to be one of the worse performances I`ve seen since erm last season.
When you think apart from 2 or 3 players that was our first 17 out there.
We missed Bentley for sure who would have tightened the defence.
Handley and Holroyd going off didn`t help.
But Warrington had half their pack missing and still out played us.
Williams had all the time in the world to orchestrate and what I felt is a slightly above average Warrington they outplayed us in every position on our own patch.
Plenty to work on for a week or so and a couple of winnable games ahead.
Time is ticking.

Agreed. Wire were ok. They had to do nothing more than run with intent. Play the majority of the game in your own 30, never mind own half, and the result is pretty much nailed on. When we did have the ball we had no real idea, very little go forward (lots of lateral movement though, again) and certainly no depth to the attack.

I like Rohan and how he put belief in the team in 2021 but we haven't improved on last year and pre-season doesn't look to have achieved much. Miller needs to knuckle down in defence or leave. Cam Smith needs to speed up or be a prop. 1 good pass every 5 weeks isn't enough.
Rohan needs to get the spine playing together within the next 2 weeks or I think he might be in trouble.
It's awful watching Leeds at the moment. We can only score from kicks, interceptions or Handley from long distance.

Don`t think we will be seeing Miller leave.
Where will he go!?
Fitzgibbon is also the sort of second rower we needed but once again lost out to Wire.

We could very well win the next 2. But I think it’s 6th at best for us, maybe with huge improvements we might get 5th. I said at start of season anything less than top 4 imo is a failure by Smith. I’m just not convinced by his coaching whatsoever. It’s the same stuff being dished up week after week since start of last season. You can clearly see his coaching impact now.

We were totally flat right from the start, getting knocked off tackles left right n centre. We just look very very average and soft as hell. I think the roster is better than what we’re seeing but Smith isn’t getting a tune from the squad he’s put together.. next 4 or 5 games are huge.

If he doesn't leave he needs to grow a pair. His last game for the Knights worried me but I put it down as a one off.

Really don't know where we go without a big mid season signing.

Have to be honest, the new players are under performing. Salford must be laughing al the way to the bank. Croft and Ackers are pretty underwhelming. Mom is average. Frawley just needs to buy a ticket back to Oz. He is utter e. We are 4 players short of a decentish squad. A proper half back, centre, hard prop and ball playing 13. C Smith has looked average at best this season.
Our tackling is shoddy as ever. Wire put us to ground on virtually every play. Mostly on our backs. We just tickle them in defence.

Such a disappointment when there was real promise with the signings.

Croft and Ackers are quality players. The fact they look poor for us lies with the Coach. He should have have gone last season.

We have no props that would get into any of the top 5. You can have all the backs you want just like in the early 90's, but without the forwards to make yardage and dominate the opposition the backs are a waste of money.

This will be another long season with or without smith until we recruit 2 good hard props.

Thought McDonnell was very good again and O’Connor, but I’d struggle to pick anyone else out for much praise tonight.

Errors again (do my head in).

Almost comical when we got into good ball for a rare time in the first half: we had a set play for once off the scrum and completely muffed it.

Tough result to take at home that one. Pressure is certainly mounting on Smith. Luckily we have 2 weeks to regroup and try to put things together for some vital winnable fixtures.

Next 4 or 5 are huge games Jim. Smith has to deliver and quickly. It’s not good enough

Absolute sh**e ! Out played and out coached , if anybody thinks RS will get this team into the top 6 is deluded. His reputation for improving players has worked in the opposite direction at Leeds - he is making players worse eg. Oledski , Holdroyd , Newman etc .
He has to go now !!

I can't really defend that. This stupid defensive system (or approach) is going to continue to kill us against decent (or half decent teams). We simply cannot compete when we're playing sets from our line and the opposition starts close to halfway. Every time we play more direct and compete for position we look miles better, but that seems to be once every five or six games, and even then maybe for 40 minutes.

Its just a really poor strategy, and it can't help but make everyone else, particularly our playmakers, look like complete duds. Its all very well talking about needing more structure in attack but far too many sets are starting so deep that only hail mary plays can help. I don't see how we can even try to build a quality attacking shape when we have so few attacking sets.

Frawley really doesn't look at all good at the moment, but I'll admit that unless we start to win territory battles its not fair to judge him or the other spine players.

I could judge Frawley on his stint at Midgets and his following failure in Oz ,Miller is a seven a side player and Mom is on Holiday , we have little size in the pack apart from flat a track Bully and a slow motion heavyweight .

Meanwhile Wigan have two superstar Aussies who they have signed up long term and a pack of young , tough , big enthusiastic forwards and loads off them . Oh and there coach improves players .

Why is it that every week Leeds give away a try from dummy half in their own 10 metre area? What do they do in training?

ploiner - I promised to stop bagging Frawley in the off season, as I thought he was likely to be a bit of a dud. Nothing I've seen changes that, but Croft isn't setting the world on fire either. The reason for me isn't so much talk of structure etc but the fact we're consistently getting murdered up the middle. I've never seen half backs able to do much if the pack is getting monstered like ours is.

I think Smith sees it as rope-a-dope - let the other side think they're making yards etc but not score tries, and we hit back and score from a distance. Or that seems to be the approach. It worked at the back end of 2022 because it was different and we simply didn't have the forwards to do anything else. But it got worked out last year, and if he doesn't look to change it up I really don't think he'll be here next year.

I know we don't have the biggest forward rotation but they can and should play with linespeed and aggression. We'd look so much better if they did.

Conceding soft tries just before half time is a killer too.

If you watch the game back you’ll see our line speed in D wasn’t terrible all game. You’ll see that most Wire tries came directly from our errors.

We are gifting teams possession and position through errors. It could be argued that some of those errors are down to individuals trying to take on the entire opposition… but I just think we’re out of form right now.

Yes the coach is ultimately responsible for this and RS has work to do. We look like half the side needs a pre-season again already.

Expect Handley to be out for a while with ribs.

The errors are coming as a result of culture, we accept errors with a pat on the back and an “oh well never mind”. That culture facilitates those errors, and the top teams just don’t accept them. Can you imagine McDermott, McGuire, Burrow, Sinfield, Peacock accepting the team making the errors that we are making? The culture starts with the coach and is taken onto the field by the leadership group which we are also badly lacking.

Well, where to start? IMO Smith has had plenty of time and it's clear, he needs to go.

Croft & Ackers are class players and have shown that in very brief glimpses, but on whole they've been meh. THat for me is down to tactics and coaching and not them as players.

Frawley, please just leave. You're pump.

One thing that I noticed last night. Whenever we had conceded a try and gathered behind the sticks, you would expect the Capt or senior players trying to motivate, or bollock players. There was non of that. Cam Smith just stood looking out of the group. Was he wondering why his hair is shocking? Was he wondering why he ws made captain? Who knows, but he's bang average and not a captain at all.

We have zero line speed, we are weak was water in defence. Mom again brushed off so easy to concede a try. Without Bentley we have little to no aggression in the side. We are just poor and without RS going we arent getting top 6.

Another note. Wilkin is a bell.

Another abject woeful home display, goal line defence abysmal. Check out the for and against stats on the league table. Absolutely shocking, worst of all the so called top teams. Lee Briers quoted the difference between our league and the NRL is the defence system in Australia is superior. Suggest we get a top defensive coach in asap. Yet again we conceded a virtual walk in try from 10 yards out. Missed Bentley last night, to think some on here don’t rate him. He would definitely have ruffled a few Warrington forwards feathers. The Warrington pack waked around as if they owned the place .
Ironically they did ,our pack was non existent . George Williams gave a master class in rugby league, best of luck to him . Anyone see anything of Croft last night, totally anonymous. Good job Vaughn wasn’t playing, might possibly have put another couple of scores on the total. A sobering thought is we have to still play Warrington, Saints, Catalan again plus Wigan twice. Nailed on 5 defeats, plus the 3 we have already suffered, virtually impossible for a top four finish. Finally body language of our team pathetic, looked like they wanted to be anywhere apart from on the field. Contrast that with Warrington they understandably were enjoying themselves. Looked up for the game from the first minute.

The amount of soft tries we concede is pathetic. Poor 1 on 1 misses shocking marker play, that's on the players not Rohan Smith for me this group of players mentality is soft and unless it switches we will continue to be a mid table team that coast through super league season after season.

However I think you can question Smith mentality as well, especially when it comes to team selection you can understand carrying a back on the bench incase of injury but when a winger gets injured and you have a winger on the bench I can not understand why you don't make that like for like change but instead put a prop on and make another 3 players movements within your team.

I think something will have to give in next few weeks both Smith and majority of the players need a massive switch in mentality and understand that rugby league is quite a simple game if you want to be successful, got off your line, whack hard and legally in defence, complete your sets, kick and pin your opponents in a corner and in attack run hard and be genuine options.

Well that was a proper spanking.
But it’s been coming for a while now for me.
We’ve got away with a few this season, either against poor or under par teams.
Wire didn’t have to do too much to win comfortably.

I’ve been to 3 games this season and not really enjoyed any of them.
Things will have to change for me to go again any time soon.
And by that I mean the way we play.
Rohan ball is not for me.

Bentley is a tigerish defender but he would have got smashed last night. The guy is just too small. Wire were gang tackling and pushing back much bigger lads than Bentley. McDonnell was probably our best last night and they sent a lot of traffic down his side.

In any case it isn’t RSs call that Bentley wasn’t in the side.

Looks like we’re going to get Fus back next game but lose Ash.

Wire really played at us, it’s alright saying they were ordinary but Williams is class and their pack is big and direct. Don’t think they made many mistakes and they just ground us out.