Good point, but you seem to have forgotten we won at Wembley last season, in a final and in front of our biggest crowd of the year. Much bigger than Magic Weekend and with more to play for than 2 league points. We didn't just win, we comprehensively out played our opponents on every level. Just as we did again Warrington in the semi.

We've already destroyed Hudds in the cup this season, which was much more important than 2 league points in Newcastle.

I'd not forgotten Wembley but I do think we might well have lost against a different opponent - as happened at last year's MW.

As for Hudds, let's see how we fare at Hull before deciding on the value of that result.

You did forget to mention though, whilst writing off the last couple of years. Cas beat Wigan en route, we beat Wire. No one was going to beat Leeds last year at Wembley.



So if Hull knock us out, which is a possibility considering their current form, that somehow lessons our performance against Hudds ?

I love this place

Serious question - Are we still including Hudds as one of these improving teams that Leeds need to fear? Or, after their recent results, are we now writing them off?

In the last 6 rounds Huddersfield have dropped 2 points so I would suggest they are on an upward curve - in the same period Leeds have dropped 7 points - logic suggests one team is improving and the other is not. I appreciate that doesn't fit with your "All is fine and dandy at Leeds" but they are the facts.

you have to look at who they've played sal. they were poor today.looked very short on cohesion and confidence

It's the same thing week in week out with McDermott as he can't read a game. If Plan A doesn't work there's no Plan B never has been and never will be!
GO!

Since last year's magic weekend game in Super League fixtures Leeds have won 16 games, lost 14 and drawn 2.

Not sure what that means, if anything, and it's not as dreadful as some make out but neither is it awe inspiring. I don't usually agree with the pessimists but it's not great.

They were terrible. Sal also "[iforgot[/i" to mention that they got walloped out of the cup by a team of shackleton high seat loving pensioners, with no hunger, on the decline.....

Wigan got well beaten in the cup by an injury ravaged bottom 4 club before getting absolutely battered in France by a mid-table team. I can guarantee no one wrote them off on here in the way Leeds get written off after a defeat.

Seems like it's one rule for one team and different rules for others around here.

And yet, they're top of the league with only 4 defeats and the best attack in SL this year.

Huddersfield's last 6 games:
Catalans x2
Castleford
Hull FC
Salford
Leeds

Leeds last 6 games:
Wigan
Hull KR
Widnes
Huddersfield
Warrington
St Helens

To compare the 2 as indicators of some kind of form is a bit pointless. If we'd played Huddersfield today, putting in the same performance as we did against Wigan, we'd have won. Conversely if Huddersfield had played Wigan they'd have lost.

They are indeed right now, at the end of May. Let's hope they remain there in September. To do so their form over the next four months will have to improve dramatically to the form they've been in over the last 12 months.

True but you could hardly say Leeds looked high on cohesion and confidence?

In the last six weeks they have played Catalans x 2, Leeds, Castleford, Salford and Hull of which only 2 were at home.

Next week they play Wigan so that should be an interesting game and a test of where they are currently at.

A loss ratio of 25% add to the worst defence of any of the top five sides. We can all make the stats work in our favour.

Leeds should remain on top for the next two weeks - Wakey will not be a game and I cannot see Cas providing a real test at Headingley.

How can you say that its hypothetical nonsense.

Not the performance, no. But you referred to the importance of the result. Which will be precisely zilch should we lose at Hull.

No bloody comfort for me

I had you lot at scratch to beat the Pies and Cats at +2. Over the weekend, it was only Leeds who cost me a £480 acca

Promise me you'll buck up (but leave it 'til after the Challenge Cup please)

Difference is, if we reach a final we'll be treating as such. Think one of our biggest problems we've had with Magic Weekend lately is that we treat it as just another league game and Wigan approach it almost like a cup or playoff game. If we approached yesterday like we did the Hudds cup game then it would've been a different match.

What evidence have you for your assertion above?
Or is it solely based on how you perceive that we played compared to how Wigan played?

PS I don't intend to get into a pointless debate with you on this.

We would also have needed Wigan to play as bad as Huddersfield did on the day - some on here are reading a lot into the Huddersfield game yet are prepared to write off a poor Leeds performance say against Warrington - you can't have it both ways.

Wigan dominated Leeds in the forwards as did Warrington with very similar outcomes. I think you idea that Leeds didn't take it seriously is clutching at straws as was your comment about Bentham.

I can say it very easily. You see I watched the 2 games and didn't wet myself just because Leeds lost. I looked at the performances of all 4 teams (Wigan, Leeds, Catalans & Huddersfield) and then made an assessment based on that viewing. Huddersfield didn't play very well. Therefore I predict, had they been playing Wigan, that they'd have lost.
Leeds didn't play very well, but put in a better performance against much better opposition. Therefore I predict had Leeds been playing Huddersfield that Leeds would've won. Relatively easily.

It's a prediction. The same as your assertion that Leeds won't finish top of the league is a prediction. Would you call that hypothetical nonsense?

I know what is nonsense though. Comparing the results of 2 teams against different clubs and drawing conclusions from that. It's not hypothetical but it is a steaming great pile of bo11ocks.

Don't think it's tough to tell the noticeable difference between when we've been truely switched on and focused such as the Hudds cup game or the cup semi and final last year. Even Ablett I read in the YEP last saying they'd be treating it like just any other game. Compare that mindset to the comments coming out of the team before and after the Hudds game a few weeks back, like chalk and cheese really.

I think we did approach it in the same way. Wigan didn't approach it like Hudds though.

I didn't say they didn't take it seriously, but not big occasion/attendance seriously like they would if we get to Wembley or Old Trafford.

As for writing performances of, you're guilty of writing off most wins we get with saying it was the opposition who were poor. You read into the lost at last year Magic weekend as the sole reason for our league showings for the remainder of the season.