Jim we just look poorly coached. Smith isn’t getting a tune from any players. That squad isn’t brilliant, a long way from it but it’s much better than what we’re seeing.

Agree with a lot Jon said. Blease will be taking note no doubt

There’s quite a lot of talent and skill in the squad it’s just not manifesting itself!

They’re nowhere near as bad as that show they put out today

Agree Chris

Didn't go today and haven't watched the game yet. Doubt I will as the result says it all. The writings been on the wall for weeks if not months. At this point Rohan’s like a boxer who's taking a sustained beating. He won't quit, but that doesn't make it right. Somebody needs to step in for his own (and the clubs) good this weekend. At least that way the Leigh game can be the beginning of something new.

The fact is that after every break, every chance to 'reset' or work on things - which we are told by Smith is happening - we come back worse. Three of our worst performances have come off two week breaks - Hudds, Sts and now Hull. To go back to the very first post on this thread, what the heck are they doing with all this time off??

Just be glad we didn’t appoint Tony Smith as Director Of Rugby. As a gurning apologist for his nephew he showed what a dangerous thing nepotism can be in sport. Good job nobody takes what he says seriously, especially Brian Carney.

We’re the third worst team in the league (don’t quote table, Leigh and hudds better)

The talent of the players we have is better, but what Smith is getting out of them is pure sh’ite.

Worse than cas?

I forgot about Cas.

It looks to me like both. We sign other teams’ reserve players or Champ players and expect our magical environment to make world beaters out of them. When has this actually worked?

I’m balled off with seeing our smallest players taking the brutal carries out of D and then making it to our own 40 if we’re lucky.

I’ve made my views on the error rate clear before and that is more a quality of player issue. But then RS and GH have signed those players.

We started the game with one prop (Mik). Then we don’t use our subs properly again ehen we are clearly struggling physically. Either play Johnson or pick another player.

We look clueless in attack and have all year. I noticed us try to play another set move on the left hand side in good ball and it fell apart within three passes as usual.

Some of the goal line D was embarrassing, where their players got the ball down (or nearly did) about three times with three or four Leeds players in the tackle.

Sounds like Wilkin should be coach!

Only watched 20 minutes as had other plans.
But in that 20 minutes we looked like a bottom 4 team playing without any organisation, forwards who were powder puff and backs who looked like they hadn`t a clue.
Smith who I saw being interviewed at the start of the game looked nervous and needed a rocket up his arris.
And a captain who has gone backwards from last season along with a number of others.

I would give Cam Smith much less game time and play O’Connor at 13. Our attack looks more crisp as well with Corey at 9… though he was only on for 5 mins.

I see oconnor as a 13. Great line speed and tough. he certainly isn't a hooker imo

He doesn’t have the size for 13 or quite the head or skill for 9. He is willing and a good squad option but yet another player without a clear position IMO.

His line speed and positivity against Hull was great - there was a rumour they were signing him for next year as starting 9.

Agree. Which sadly sums up our current predicament. Can see why Tad would suggest it though. Maybe if we had some real heavyweights in the pack.

Yeah well JOC came through at 13 and then was pushed up to 9 wasn’t he?

Said it before but aside from Ackers/Johnson/JOC at hooker, the smallest player I want to see in the pack would be McDonnell. And the big ones need to be more skilful.

Again, wouldn’t be surprised if JOC was signed elsewhere next year and we ended up keeping Johnson as understudy to Ackers. Another one for Blease to sort out.

I don’t think Jarrod will be leaving.

Various players not doing strength conditioning and coach not too bothered apparently.

I hope he stays, his attitude is great but my concern is long-term where does he play?

Do you see him as our hooker longer term or back row?

Here’s another left field one: Miller at 7 to replace Frawley and Edgell to FB.

I’m looking for margins here but I’m not blown away by Miller’s D at times. He is strongest as a running threat and he has a good pass on him in the line. My thought process is to get him in the line all the time and allow Edgell to develop more in his natural position. I suspect Alfie might have better long-distance pace than Miller too, although not sure.

I know it won't be a popular view, but I'd rather we spend the rest of this year giving a proper go to some of the younger players. Get Edgell some full games at full back, give Sinfield an extended run at 7, and especially the younger forwards - Ruan, TNW and maybe Littlewood.

We wasted the back end of last year in the pretence that we were going to get into the play offs until the wheels fell off right at the end. I don't think we've got the squad to make a challenge, and even if we get in the play offs we'll do zilch. There's no point in having these kids not gain experience, as we'd then start again with them next season not having played enough to be trusted.

Never forget Rohan’s immortal words at the beginning of the season, “Training’s overrated for some of these dudes”.

You are right early on in your post when you refer to these lads as “younger players”. They are not kids, and like you say they need to be playing if there’s a chance they will figure long term with the club. Ruan is already 21 and both Edgell and Sinfield will be 20 years old by play off time. We can either waste time and money by clogging the squad up with players that are taking a wage with little chance of playing, or let them have an extended run and see if they are worth the squad number. There’s never been a better time.