Looks like Peter Smith is a bit peed off as well given his player ratings for the game, only Hall in the backs scoring more than 5 out of 10, and Gannon, Holroyd and Cam Smith on 6 in the forwards. Not sure how Smith got 6 though. This is so frustrating because it feels that despite a change of coach and another round of ins and outs, we've got almost exactly the same problems as last year, with some new ones in terms of edge defence added. The forwards are physically way too easy to dominate, without a single player in our starting lineup that opponents would be worried about tackling, our spine (partly because of the forwards) looks clueless and we generally lack speed. I know its very early, but I'd already look at Sinfield for Frawley for at least five games as soon as he's fit. The utter nothingness that Frawley offers is a marvel to behold, and he will not be part of any long term future. We desperately need one of our spine to take charge and move the team around, give the forwards a spray etc, and not wait for the coach to have a dig at half time. I'm more disappointed in Croft than Frawley for that though. You can see why Croft failed utterly as lead halfback in the NRL.

Truly awful watch. All the noise about a hard pre-season and players looking fit and strong. We were totally gassed and looked unfit as a team. The backs were dreadful. Handley and Lumb were run ragged down that edge. Handley is not a centre in a million years. I've said before, Newman is not the player he was after the injuries. And Hall, club and sport legend though he is, looks like a 37 year old playing elite sport. Frawley is just terrible. We must bring ECW into the centre and put Handley where he belongs. And I would play Connor at 7 instead of Frawley. But I fear that BA will be too stubborn to do either of those things. I've also been very disappointed with Ackers since he signed. O'Connor is a better starting 9. The start of another long, old season I fear..... Only positives were that the defensive line speed is noticeably better under BA. And the return of Holroyd and Gannon. Other than that, depressingly awful.

[quote="rugbyleague88":2dilnn2c]Shame Sinfield is out for a few weeks as I would have him straight in for Frawley. I'd be moving Handley to winger this week but suspect Arthur will stick with him at centre.[/quote:2dilnn2c] I would move Handley to full back, put Conner at . Conners running the ball back with that little shimmy, he doesn’t fool anyone. He just gets hammered . Least Handley has some pace to run wide of the defence. Not certain once again with Newman, he really needs to improve his game. Although we never seem to put him through any gap or space. Frawley is poor, very rarely breaks the defensive line. At the moment having viewed the majority of the first round games excluding Salford, we look to be the poorest team. Six or seven games in will be appraisal time, pressure on Arthur. Up to him to sort things out, after all that’s what he is paid top money for.

[quote="Trebor1":292h2dxj]Never said it was our Props Chris. I said it showed our pack was weak.[/quote:292h2dxj] I know, I was just making the point as others had said it was the props

[quote="Simmo71":2cehhgr2]Truly awful watch. All the noise about a hard pre-season and players looking fit and strong. We were totally gassed and looked unfit as a team. The backs were dreadful. Handley and Lumb were run ragged down that edge. Handley is not a centre in a million years. I've said before, Newman is not the player he was after the injuries. And Hall, club and sport legend though he is, looks like a 37 year old playing elite sport. Frawley is just terrible. We must bring ECW into the centre and put Handley where he belongs. And I would play Connor at 7 instead of Frawley. But I fear that BA will be too stubborn to do either of those things. I've also been very disappointed with Ackers since he signed. O'Connor is a better starting 9. The start of another long, old season I fear..... Only positives were that the defensive line speed is noticeably better under BA. And the return of Holroyd and Gannon. Other than that, depressingly awful.[/quote:2cehhgr2] Totally this...and all that hype about a tough preseason and how superfit our squad now is...we looked totally gassed after 20 minutes...as for the one out style we seem to be adopting...truly shocking to watch. Really horrible and a massive deflator for the season ahead

When is Brad Arthur’s contract up? Is it about same time as Salford go into liquidation and Rowley becomes available?