As stated in the title. www.london-gazette.co.uk/issues/ ... +CRUSADERS There you go, Court date is set for 10.30 on the 10th of november. HMRC are looking to wind the company up. That could mean 2 Champioonship teams up to SL. Alternatively it could mean the RFL bail them out or they let toulouse in regardless. I would hope the latter is a definate NO as clearly the Expansion aint working.

As stated in the title. www.london-gazette.co.uk/issues/ ... +CRUSADERS There you go, Court date is set for 10.30 on the 10th of november. HMRC are looking to wind the company up. That could mean 2 Champioonship teams up to SL. Alternatively it could mean the RFL bail them out or they let toulouse in regardless. I would hope the latter is a definate NO as clearly the Expansion aint working.

Being that the current Super League Clubs agreement is for 11 "Traditional" Clubs and 3 "Development" they'd need to change that or it'd pretty much guarantee Toulouse a place

Quote ="Faxhali"As stated in the title. www.london-gazette.co.uk/issues/ ... +CRUSADERS There you go, Court date is set for 10.30 on the 10th of november. HMRC are looking to wind the company up. That could mean 2 Champioonship teams up to SL. Alternatively it could mean the RFL bail them out or they let toulouse in regardless. I would hope the latter is a definate NO as clearly the Expansion aint working.'" think its been said that only a Expansion club will be allowed to replace a sl team,think it was said when the quinns were in trouble,so think you would be looking at toulouse put straight in

Quote ="Faxhali"As stated in the title. www.london-gazette.co.uk/issues/ ... +CRUSADERS There you go, Court date is set for 10.30 on the 10th of november. HMRC are looking to wind the company up. That could mean 2 Champioonship teams up to SL. Alternatively it could mean the RFL bail them out or they let toulouse in regardless. I would hope the latter is a definate NO as clearly the Expansion aint working.'" think its been said that only a Expansion club will be allowed to replace a sl team,think it was said when the quinns were in trouble,so think you would be looking at toulouse put straight in

My guess is that the RFL has pumped too much money into Crusaders and will continue to bail them out.

Either that, or rather than drop Wakey, let Crusaders go bust - promote Widnes and have no-one drop out of SL.

They can't do that now, They have not given any Championship club enough time to prepare/Get the players to compete next year, It would be like taking a team to play Australia every week, total inhialation week in week out. It would not benefit any club at this stage without prep time.

If they did promote someone early then surely it would effect the rest of the lower leagues with Keighley being allowed back up, Same as leigh last year, and so on down the leagues. Potentially it could help the heartland Clubs.

There is always running with 13 SL clubs for a year and add to it once Widnes is ready...

So do you think Nigel Woods visit to Toulouse (reported on rlfans somewhere) a week or two ago is just a coincidence

NOPE !!!!!

if and it is a massive IF the Welshies go out of business, unless the RFL puts too much money into a NL side then it would be suicide at this point! or would it

They shoud run one down for the coming season, with time then to put one NL1 team keep all the SL clubs or put two NL 1 teams up.

My gut feeling in relalistic chances of happening is.......

1) RFL save the welshies
2) If not, run with one club down
3) NL1 clubs ask do they wnat to submit and enter into 2011 comp, with supprt from RFL (Fax to say no, Wid to say yes!)
4) Widnes to win the S/L bid, and all current Sl teams remain
4a) if Wid go in to 2011 comp, no further promotions in 2012 for NL1 clubs
5) Widnes and Fax win S/L bids, one S/L club drops down
6) Toulouse - just not gonner happen

It should be 5) Widnes and Fax win S/L bids for the next 3 years.

Wasn't if announced that it will definitely be a 14 team Super League come the next round of franchises?

Also, even if they just swapped Widnes for a bust Crusaders, surely we're still getting pitted against a potentally stadium-less Cas and Wakey.

They can't keep it at 13 because that's hardly giving anyone a positive message is it. That's basically saying, all Championship clubs are Sh*tter than a bust team.



There's still 6-8 months before things are announced. Plenty of time to change the rules a number of times though, fear not.

Im have no doubt that Mr Creosote will not back down from his gargantuan cretinous ideaology, not until he has successfully bankrupted the game and drove a steak through its heart, hes a buffoon im telling you, and hes an even bigger buffoon than people realise, has anyone ever stood up to him without fear of being eaten like a whales lunch. This constant HMRC and RFL re-fueling of failing enterprises will not end anytime soon, the mans a fool.

Im sure i saw figures published about what Crusaders needed to break even last year, but the RFL sought to encourage them to give away tickets and sign high profile ex Internationals, its a complete folly. London, Catalan, Crusaders and the new ones, will always struggle to make money and the fans will need to be related to Rothchilds in order to afford to watch them play away. The mans dreaming. The Sport aint big enough for this kind of restructuring.

Quote ="Faxhali"As stated in the title. www.london-gazette.co.uk/issues/ ... +CRUSADERS There you go, Court date is set for 10.30 on the 10th of november. HMRC are looking to wind the company up. That could mean 2 Champioonship teams up to SL. Alternatively it could mean the RFL bail them out or they let toulouse in regardless. I would hope the latter is a definate NO as clearly the Expansion aint working.'" I know its sounds harsh but this is one club that I would like to see disappear, they add nothing to our game only the 'being in Wales' so the game is not just in England bit, so what? who cares in Wales? Not many. Plus they are in SL by default, the original club got in purely by being in Wales and this is a new club now based in Wrexham not the original one that was based in South Wales. Remember they got allowed in last year through the back door to save the Fat Controllers face, look what we and the rest of the Championship clubs have to do to get into SL through this stupid Licencing system!!!! Nah good riddance I say. But you can bet that the RFL will do their damnest to save them saying it is in the interests of the game etc... I would love to do a Freedom of Information on the RFL and see where all the money from the Grand Finals goes???? We have heard it all before, funny how they let the original Rochdale Hornets club die so they had to rise as a new club technically now called Hornets RL. Sames goes for Whitehaen they nearly died this summer I could go on.

Quote ="Faxhali"As stated in the title. www.london-gazette.co.uk/issues/ ... +CRUSADERS There you go, Court date is set for 10.30 on the 10th of november. HMRC are looking to wind the company up. That could mean 2 Champioonship teams up to SL. Alternatively it could mean the RFL bail them out or they let toulouse in regardless. I would hope the latter is a definate NO as clearly the Expansion aint working.'" I know its sounds harsh but this is one club that I would like to see disappear, they add nothing to our game only the 'being in Wales' so the game is not just in England bit, so what? who cares in Wales? Not many. Plus they are in SL by default, the original club got in purely by being in Wales and this is a new club now based in Wrexham not the original one that was based in South Wales. Remember they got allowed in last year through the back door to save the Fat Controllers face, look what we and the rest of the Championship clubs have to do to get into SL through this stupid Licencing system!!!! Nah good riddance I say. But you can bet that the RFL will do their damnest to save them saying it is in the interests of the game etc... I would love to do a Freedom of Information on the RFL and see where all the money from the Grand Finals goes???? We have heard it all before, funny how they let the original Rochdale Hornets club die so they had to rise as a new club technically now called Hornets RL. Sames goes for Whitehaen they nearly died this summer I could go on.

my post was in refence to the coming season then moving on to 2012

if and its a big IF the welshies go bust, what do u do for 2011

Run with 13 or look to add another club from NL1, personally i cannot see any other team than Widnes

A) Having enough money (proving their back has it) to even contemplate playin in S/L in 2011
b) being so desperate they would consider doing it

Any NL club would be in the same poistion, 99% of their squad are not S/L unless they would be in S/L now, our best player has gone to the bulls, and is not gaunteed a starting place!

It would take a huge amount of cash to jump from NL to Sl at this late stage (its not even sure it will happen yet!)

What long term damage would it do, to both support and finance

News just in, Aston has said Sheff are ready, they will do it!

I see.

They should just run with 13 teams for 2011 and not force strain on another team for no reason. Even Widnes at a guess will have sponsors etc already for next season which will be set at a Championship price and won't be able to get the necessary finacial backing at such short notice. Widnes will be fully in place to get the 2012 spot and have probably got everything set for then, it doesn't help them to be in it next year presumably

If the RFL don't manage to keep Crusaders going throughout 2011, then I can't see anyone but Toulouse being chosen. It'd be excuse the RFL have been looking for, we all know how much they want to put Toulouse in Super League. And then in 2012 Widnes will replace what seems to be Wakefield or Cas. This whole things not going to change the RFL's plans for promotion, in some ways it's just going to make it easier and speed it up. It's how I see it anyway. And I very much doubt that they'd consider running it on 13 teams, despite it being the better option.

They promote Toulouse and I'm done with RL

I Wont be done with it, But i will only support Halifax at home and will Cancel my Sky Sports subscibtion. I know in the grand scheme of things who cares, But its my principles and i am sticking to them, I said earlier in the year i will not go to Sheffield Or Featherstone away next year and i plan on seeing that out too.

It can only be Toulouse that replace them which is a real shame because it could have opened the gate for us. I would not be surprised if the RFL bail out Crusaders as they did Harliquins anyway.

I will not be done with supporting Halifax either and what is more I am not too bothered if they do promote Tolouse either.I do not think it is right far from it but on the other hand they never fetch any fans we are as well having another heartland club in.
I have never agreed with how the RFL have looked after the expantionist clubs I have never followed Fax to Wales or Tolouse and never would.I am hopeing that the next time we are playing against Tolouse away we can set up an enjoyable event where Fax fans staying at home, can do so together and at the same time make some money for the Faxbuilder fund.
I would never let the RFL push me out of supporting my own club ,it has hapened too much where people have walked away because of the RFL.
Ralph Rimmer whilst Chief Exec at Sheffield supported the merger with Huddersfield and blamed the fact that it didn`t work on another Sheffield team being allowed to start up.He said " as instead of Sheffield people traveling up to watch Shuddersfield they were staying in Sheffield and continuing to watch Sheffield.He just did not get it , this is the man they have brought in to oversee the franchising and he can`t grasp that people walk away from the game rather than watch a "manufactured side". The man is a Patsy of the first order.

Me neither , good riddance , they should not be in our comp anyway ,definatley not with a relegation excemption

They have to replace Crusaders if they drop out , or the ' Big Bang ' Millenuim weekend cannot be done , they need an equal number of teams to make it work

They should be in Championship one from the standards they have played, Relegated in 2009, No Northern Rail appearance or grand final, or playoff even and yet they get into Super League without really competing for the last 3 years, ( a bit like widnes

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Then get the same in SL with 3 years win lose or draw.

At least Widnes have done something with Stadium, Youth, Crowds and profit. Toulouse have done nothing at all.

It borders on insane!, They dont have crowds or a following or anything. Expanse my A-hole.

Everybody who follows rugby league should be bothered if they promote toulouse. Our game will be shown up for the big sham that is and some people would have a field day.

We can't allow that to happen

But we cant stop them either

But that`s the point the RFL only listen to the Super League clubs anyhow and they will not be bothered. They should be because it means another trip to France for their fans and for their club another week of no show opposition fans. Me thinks to swing this with the Super League clubs they will have to offer them all more money. Which of course will leave less for the Championship sides.