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| Quote ="tb"You may well feel that. But it's not the case. It is the case that the team that wins the title is the team that wins the GF. The team that finishes top of the table gets a nice but meaningless pot. We've got one stuffed away somewhere, but it doesn't compare to the two NL1 championship trophies we've got
Giving the prize money to the team that finishes top of the table would be like giving the 100m Olympic gold to the runner in front at 90m, whether or not they cross the line first or fall over before reaching it.'"
how big is the nice but meaningless pot?
i understand them wanting to big up the grand final but id have nightmares over such a large amount of money being lost over the bounce of a ball, or a bed refereeing performance
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| Quote ="bluesox4evaaa"how big is the nice but meaningless pot?'"
quite small – almost insignificant
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| Quote ="Fax Machine".... and, correct me if I'm wrong here, but I don't think finishing top even ticks a box for an SL license, does it?
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Nope, NRC win or GF appearance only.
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| How much cash do you get for the nrc?
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| Quote ="tom85"How much cash do you get for the nrc?'"
How much are you offering?
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| Quote ="tom85"How much cash do you get for the nrc?'"
Don't think it'll be very much. However if we win it people want to watch a team that wins silverware and it also ticks a box for SL applications next time round.
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| In the Sooper Dooper league, the league winners get a shield, wonder if there is anything same for our division?
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| Quote ="griffax"In the Sooper Dooper league, the league winners get a shield, wonder if there is anything same for our division?'"
Yes. A cup. Well there was in 2007.
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| Quote ="bluesox4evaaa"from the championship website, it says the winner of the championship recieves £100,000. Is this awarded for finishing top or winning the grand final?
100k would do us nicely if we were to keep this up and do it'"
In what way would it ' do you nicely '
Normally any prize money is divided up among the players as bonus for winning the said competition
£ 5,000 a piece among the winning team or divided up on a % per match played basis
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| Quote ="tom85"How much cash do you get for the nrc?'"
It used to be around 34 k , fits in nicely at 2 grand a piece
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| Quote ="Starbug"In what way would it ' do you nicely '
Normally any prize money is divided up among the players as bonus for winning the said competition
£ 5,000 a piece among the winning team or divided up on a % per match played basis'"
that itself would do us nicely smart ar*e, theyd deserve it and want to stay
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| Quote ="bluesox4evaaa"that itself would do us nicely smart ar*e, theyd deserve it and want to stay'"
I saw your post as you meaning the club would benifit to the tune of 100 k , I was merely pointing out what normally happens
I'm sure they would deserve it and the chance of repeating it would help keep them at Fax
So I dont really understand your angst with me , then again do I care ?
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| where do you live?
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| Quote ="bluesox4evaaa"where do you live?'"
Right side of the hill
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| Quote ="Starbug"Right side of the hill
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haha who told you that one?
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| Quote ="Starbug"Right side of the hill
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Looking at a Map, your on the Left, Fax is on the right
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| Quote ="Starbug"In what way would it ' do you nicely '
Normally any prize money is divided up among the players as bonus for winning the said competition
£ 5,000 a piece among the winning team or divided up on a % per match played basis'"
Surely depends on the club (and their salary cap position)?
Is the Championship SC still £400k? If so, £100k is 25% of total salary cap. Are you suggesting that clubs either spend just 75% of the SC in case they win, or blithely go over the cap by 25%?
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| Quote ="griffax"In the Sooper Dooper league, the league winners get a shield, wonder if there is anything same for our division?'"
Not a shield, but a small trophy for the Minor Premiers (we should know; unlike 'Fax we've managed it twice )
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| Quote ="tb"quite small – almost insignificant
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Hey I always say a trophy is a trophy and it will be on your Honours list so it is worth having, plus a team that finished top of the pile after 20 games should get some recognition.
Since SL there are not as many trophies that can be won so I was glad they acknowledegd the League Leaders, so they should.
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| Quote ="tb"Surely depends on the club (and their salary cap position)?
Is the Championship SC still £400k? If so, £100k is 25% of total salary cap. Are you suggesting that clubs either spend just 75% of the SC in case they win, or blithely go over the cap by 25%?'"
Good point, i think the championship cap still is 400k and I think we will have spent over 300k so wouldn't be able to use all of the 100k to reward the players. That said all of this doesn't matter yet as we've won nothing.
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| I have had a couple of PM’s on salary cap so would comment as below for all-
The "salary cap" is related to how much the club pays its players as rules are clear as to what is allowable and what is not.
Clearly however, the Income any individual player may get can come from both his payments from the club and any other income he may derive from other areas. (as an extreme example if a player won the lottery it would not count towards the salary cap), an example often quoted is "image rights" where a player may be paid to allow his photo to be sold by the club.
The RFL attempt to ensure that Clubs do not breach the rules by finding “back door” ways of players gaining other income related to their playing the game. Whilst a director of HRLFC we had a number of reviews/audits by the RFL that confirmed we were not cheating, as I am sure did/do others.
For Example - in the unlikely circumstances of a director of a club making a cash payment to a player in the event the team won a game or series of games this would need to be declared on the salary cap (and the players tax return). Otherwise the player and the club would be in breach of the rules – and the tax man would come.
For example - In the circumstances that the wife or partner of a player was given a job by, say, a club director this would not be covered by the salary cap as it would clearly be related to the quality of the individual and have no relationship to the playing of rugby.
It is clear that as long as all Players and Clubs continue to maintain the high standards (as exemplified by our MP’s) there will continue to be no issues of clubs breaching salary caps, players getting untaxed income or related parties gaining inappropriate jobs.
I believe the cap should be abolished
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| read article the other week that the taxman coming after image rights money and some big name players could owe lots at some of the SL clubs.
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| Quote ="swifty62"read article the other week that the taxman coming after image rights money and some big name players could owe lots at some of the SL clubs.'"
I've no doubt that this will mean some people will have a tax bill. At the end of the day, payment for Image Rights is simply that, "Payment" and taxes should be paid.
This issue in the context of Howards post though menas that somebody can legitimately sell their "Image" and be paid money outside of the Salary Cap.
It doesn't make it any less taxable.
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| Quote ="Yob"I've no doubt that this will mean some people will have a tax bill. At the end of the day, payment for Image Rights is simply that, "Payment" and taxes should be paid.
This issue in the context of Howards post though menas that somebody can legitimately sell their "Image" and be paid money outside of the Salary Cap.
It doesn't make it any less taxable.'"
Ask Warrington!
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| Quote ="tb"Surely depends on the club (and their salary cap position)?
Is the Championship SC still £400k? If so, £100k is 25% of total salary cap. Are you suggesting that clubs either spend just 75% of the SC in case they win, or blithely go over the cap by 25%?'"
Seem to remember that prize money for winning NRC,NLGF and Challenge cup were outside NL salary cap
It may have changed , then again it might not have
Fairly certain that CC prize money was also outside SL salary cap as well
Something about not punishing success
HTH
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