Promoting young players when they like all SL clubs binned their U23/U21s year before last???

Griff,

Where in here: [urlhttp://www.totalrl.com/forums/index.php/topic/246818-the-8-we-finish-in/[/url are the Fev fans celebrating?



Why the wind up, are you trying to keep a split between Fev and Fax fans?

I think that it is a big assumption to believe that the relegated SL clubs say 2 of Bradford, Widnes, Cas, Wakey or London) would be better on relatively even terms than the top teams in the Championship (i.e. Fev, Fax, Sheffield, Leigh, etc. and not forgetting the potential of an improved Toulose team maybe as well).

The relegated two from the current SL will not automatically walk into the middle 8. That is not to say that they will not be favourates and rightly so in 2015.

I agree FG they may go into free fall.

Another thing.

The distribution of the funds hasn't even been discussed yet and was not voted on the other night.

That will remain a potential sticking point with the SL clubs especially those that walked out on the first meeting.

They still have a lot to say where the money goes from SKY because it's the SL clubs who vote on that.

That's where the RFL and SL clubs will have to come to some compromise.

On the one hand the SL clubs want as much money as they can get, on the other hand the whole game solution as everybody knows needs the funding to be more evenly distributed.

It's not a case of glossing over or missing points but you can't include everything from A to Z and all what's in between in every post.

In my humble opinion the SL clubs remain very much at an advantage including the ones that go into the eight as they should have more money and be full time.

However, the ones that are the weakest in SL could be replaced by the strongest of the Championship clubs, it will be tough but not impossible.

At least there is a chance now and every game will mean something.

The end of season crowds should go up.

Hypothetically imagine Cas and Fev going at it for one of the places or Fax and Bradford, how many do you think would be there and what sort of atmosphere.

It's certainly better than Licensing or having no chance of promotion and or the old P and R system with the boom and bust that produced.

What does anyone think about new investement coming into the game now SL(E) have announced the new structure. Do we think that more money and investers will come into our 'league' or not.

What ever the money situation is and how the SL decide to allocate thier money our teams will still be at a disadvantage. Still I would love to seea Bardford/Fax play off at the Shay. And Fax win.

As much chance as a snowball in hell of reaching SL as long as we are part time. If we go full time it is an enormous financial gamble that could kill us off if we failed to get promotion. Only mortgaging the Shay after we buy it can give us enough cash at the moment.

Lots of as yet unsubstantiated talk about new investment coming following on from the interest shown in the world cup.

Apparently there are "a number" of interested parties at various levels.

There should be an announcement from the RFL soon on a deal.

BT have been mentioned in the past for the TV rights of SL and were mentioned again in yesterdays RL press as being very interested with the amounts on offer going up because of the competition between the rival companies.

Case of wait and see and hope it doesn't fall flat on it's face.

Super League has agreed a deal with energy supplier First Utility to become the competition's title sponsor for the next three years.

The value of the sponsorship agreement has not been revealed.

Mate.
There's as much chance as a snowball in hell of the current BOD putting this club at risk in an ill thought out attempt to get into SL.
Of course they would love this club to be there but will not gamble all in an attempt to get there.

They would rather we stay where we are and if we remain competitive so would I.

For me it wasn't necessarily about being in SL but more of a chance of being there without being cut off left to stagnate.

four matches at the shay against SL opposition could be worth two or three times what fax make through the gate in a season at present.

I agree as long as we (and every other club outside SL) have a chance to compete for promotion then we cant really complain. Its what we have wanted? If we dont make into the top flight so be it. Yes Im sure we would all like Fax to be playing in SL as a top performing club but it might not happen. The thing with licencing that peeved me off was the closed door mentality, no one has a right to be in that league it has to earnd by the team winning on the pitch.

Just the 2 against SL opposition, the other 2 against Championship opposition

As I posted earlier, nothing has actually changed with this restructure, it boils down to clubs managements ability to build their clubs financial income streams, it is that and that alone which will decide who ultimatly plays in SL

It will be 36 months of free gas and electric for all the RFL board and the SL Chairmen and a candle for everyone else except Fax who aren't allowed to have any sources of ignition.

Everything has changed on the pitch because they will be playing for the chance to move up or avoid moving down.

As you say off the pitch will have the main bearing on what happens on it, at least now there is a greater incentive for those working behind the scenes to either invest more themselves and / or to attract new investors because allthough the way forward is a narrow road at least it's not a cul-de-sac as before.

Quote ="FevGrinder"Griff, Where in here: [urlhttp://www.totalrl.com/forums/index.php/topic/246818-the-8-we-finish-in/[/url are the Fev fans celebrating? Why the wind up, are you trying to keep a split between Fev and Fax fans? '" Plenty in this thread .... www.totalrl.com/forums/index.php ... d-threads/ Pencil, Robin, Terry etc etc. Baffled how you can see this as "keeping a split between Fev and Fax fans". It's got absolutely nothing to do with it. Surprised at you having the chip on the shoulder. Yeah - I read the thread you quoted. Posts by a lot of people starting to think about it.

Quote ="FevGrinder"Griff, Where in here: [urlhttp://www.totalrl.com/forums/index.php/topic/246818-the-8-we-finish-in/[/url are the Fev fans celebrating? Why the wind up, are you trying to keep a split between Fev and Fax fans? '" Plenty in this thread .... www.totalrl.com/forums/index.php ... d-threads/ Pencil, Robin, Terry etc etc. Baffled how you can see this as "keeping a split between Fev and Fax fans". It's got absolutely nothing to do with it. Surprised at you having the chip on the shoulder. Yeah - I read the thread you quoted. Posts by a lot of people starting to think about it.

There'll still be minimum standards to be met. Something that is being glossed over.

Don't think that's mathematically possible, Starby. Not for all the clubs.

Championship clubs will play 4 home matches, SL clubs will play 3 , so by my reckoning Championship clubs will play 2 at home against SL opposition and 2 at home against Championship opposition

Please explain, what do you think the minimum standards will include, to whom will they apply, who is doing the glossing over and what are you basing this on.

There are six games involving the four Championship clubs.

If four clubs get two each at home, that's eight home teams in those six games.

Conversely, if they only play one away, that's only four away teams in the six games.

Sorry mate, when you start working it out, it doesn't compute.

The document itself repeatedly mentions "subject to revised minimum standards". Ground capacity will undoubtedly be one. Finance probably another. It's not for me to speculate, really.

It will be interesting to see what they include, as you say you would have thought it would include the ones you have mentioned.
I just have what happened to the last minimum criteria still firmly fixed in mind.

I was just pointing out that folk - on here and elsewhere - are saying promotion's automatic, all you have to do is finish on the top three or win the Mid-Table Grand Final.

But it's not. You still have stuff to do off the field.

You would have thought the BOD at clubs in the running for promotion will be fully aware of what they have to do both on and off the field.

It would be lunacy to put all their efforts into on the field performance only to realise or be told after the event that their ground wasn't big enough or they didn't have enough toilets or seats etc.

Also the RFL need to be realistic in what is achievable for the clubs as the game stands at the moment when they decide upon the criteria.

The whole thing is a joke and complete farce. The concept is short sighted and does nothing to help the clubs and game to improve on and off the field. All teams should be forced to spend X-Amount on Reserve and Academy teams. If they cant afford/wont run them they shouldnt be in SL! Will clubs/SL/RFL actually look to work more together in offering packages for attending games or to help get youngsters watching?
All I can see, is the top 8 looking to eventually gain more power, money and contol and treat the rest of us, even worse than has been the case. The RFL will be as spineless as ever and have no proper control and allow clubs to keep making short term decisions damaging the game. Look how it allowed academy rugby and reserve rugby to be kicked out so clubs can save money and cut corners.
Sorry but I think this is another blow to the game and I dont think it wil benefit Fax or any other championship.