Brad Knowles wasn’t supporting Huddersfield reserves, to say so is another distortion of the facts.
That thought and DR won’t have even come into his mind he was simply trying to get some game time and they were the highest level available to do so.

Whenever a Fax player turns out for another club from their own and a Fax perspective first and foremost it benefits and supports them.

A couple of DR examples past and present.

Past. Dan Murray came to us on DR from Salford and played a few games before moving on, a couple of years go by and he becomes available again and chooses Fax, why because he enjoyed his first stint loved the place and wants to be here and is one of the best young props in the division.

Present. Ben Tibbs got valuable minutes which along with his efforts in training has played a major part in him getting a first team start and performing like he is for us, we, he and Fax benefit far more than Huddersfield have, these are simple facts.

Without that option Dan would never have been here and Ben could have easily been one who slipped through our fingers and our loss in both cases.

Yes everyone understands your view on DR, after all virtually every week , month after month year after year you have said the same thing for the millionth time.

That is an obsession that shows no respect to other people’s intelligence and coupled with the inevitable derogatory fabricated statements about the club such as being subservient shows no respect for them either.

It’s interesting that many who say “no” to something and complain about it never have anything better to replace it with, have you?

If so please start another thread on your solution to DR and everyone can have an opportunity to debate it without hi jacking every other thread.

"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing". Hudd-Shay circa 2022. You obviously support dual reg. I don't. Up The Fax!

So according to you now we have, when a player turns out each week for another club on DR everyone involved is performing some evil act and you claim their

for doing so.



And the claim. The club are doing nothing just because it doesn't agree with you, rather a narcissist, selfish, uninformed view point wouldn't you say from someone who by his own admission has no idea of what is going on internally within the club.

As proved by the previously sited examples, as opposed to fantasy the facts show the club are doing something which is to use an option to their and the individuals advantage both in the short term and longer terms.
As i stated I notice despite your intense opposition to DR you haven't come up with a workable alternative and by doing nothing are you not fitting into the definition of your own first sentence



On DR it depends how you define "Support" and actually you have missed the point and context of it being spoken about in this thread which was to show your absurd erroneous claims that the club were subservient to Huddersfield because Brad Knowles played Friday night.

Not only is it evident what your views are on DR but also that your the one being held subservient to it, your a slave to your own obsession.

You don't agree with me then?

There are so many contradictions it your posts I’m not sure you agree with yourself so how can anyone else.

The thing is we currently aren’t in a position to finance a reserves team so DR is the next best thing , considering Ben tibbs who was plying his trade in the Huddersfield reserves up until the Workington game is living proof it works for us , he’s been in the starting line up since being preferred to arundal ( playing superleague till last year ) and McComb ( last years most improved player for the panthers) scoring more tries than our highest try scorer last year ( salty) in half the time , seems to me the relationship isn’t a negative one in that instance. It also means in another scenario with Cole Oakley who’s been DR with hunslet is match fit , learning his trade and can conceivably be the ‘ next Ben tibbs ‘ next year , otherwise he’d have been sat in the stands or being the water carrier singing’ what the hell am I doing here’. I think we’re using the system brilliantly to our advantage not the other way around.
It seems to me ( if rumours are true) the plans are to focus on the funds available to have a quality 1st team so we will qualify for the 2 tens super league 1/2 and receive approximately £700,000 of funding from img , which may in turn be able to invest into a reserve grade .

DR is a system that almost everyone would like to see scrapped but no one can come up with an alternative.

Where Fax are concerned when they are involved they are the ones who are controlling it to their benefit and not the other way round as claimed by Hudds and this is what the facts show and where I and why I disagree with him.

The system to get rid of DR would for all clubs to have a reserves team in a proper league structure. Which we had years ago and it worked. I am old enough to be one of the thousands who went to watch the reserves on a Thursday evening at Thrum Hall However the RFL had decreed that only Certain (privileged) clubs are allowed to run them. Which is why the state of our game is where it is as there is no proper and well run path way for all level of players to Move to the professional game at what ever level they can compete in

Spot on!

Was it Thursdays or Friday night?
Anyway.
Is this not part of the problem of how you are viewing today’s game though through yesterday’s glasses.

What was in place and worked decades ago is no longer relevant in virtually every aspect of life including rugby league and while it may be good to look back with fond memories it’s not good to be living in the past.

Today. Clubs at every level are struggling to run a first team never mind a reserve team, there simply isn’t enough money, players, interest or support and all the other personnel such as officials, doctors, security etc that would be required, your proposal isn’t realistic in 2022 based on evidence and fact.

Another point is when making an argument for or against something it also has to be based on evidence and fact.
When using extreme comments such as “evil” and “subservient” just because a player has a game on a Friday night for other obvious reasons hardly adds credibility to the person or the case.

It sounds like a nutter just having a mindless rant.

PS: If you don’t believe me try the “Eh I remember when I was a lad” to the younger generation and see what the response will be.

Well we went to the Friday night alliance games which I believe was our reserves back in the 80s and 90s . Maybe it’s just a character thing as to why people still judge our team by standards and situations from the past . I’m pretty sure we currently don’t have funds for a quality first team and a reserve team , would you rather sell walmsey, Keyes , jouffret etc so we can afford a reserve team and finish mid to lower table .The fact that another restructure is looming and finishing outside the top 8 would almost certainly mean relegation into an unfunded 3rd division which we would most certainly be subservient to every team above us with no chance of ever having a reserves team . We mock/ laugh at Bradford fans who cannot accept they are no longer super league level but yet some of our fans still believe it’s 1987 .

I don’t disagree with you about the past and what’s right for today. I think the reason why setting up a reserves team is expensive is because the RFL deemed in their wisdom to scrap the reserves system. So clubs, in all the divisions, had the infrastructure to run a reserve team which had been built up over the 100 years these clubs had been in existence. However that infrastructure was wiped out almost over night and you can’t build it back up overnight.
So DR is here and we have to use it to the best way the club can. I also feel that Halifax have not over used the system since it was introduced unlike other clubs who used it instead of investing in their own squads. If we didn’t use the system where would players like Ben get the game time to improve and get fitter and ready to play in a harder competition? There isn’t one so we have to use it. Anyway here’s to a Panthers win this evening.

I also believe we have a college team which is directly affiliated with the club with 2 of our players been recently selected for the England community lions so it must be a decent standard . Just out of interest ( I have only started watching again since the rebrand) how many players have come through our reserve team when we had one to play super league/ championship rugby?

Anxiously waiting for team news now as we will need to be as near to full strength against Batley and there has been a few facing a fitness battle through the week.

Grix at fb , woody on the wing , Martin at hooker

With Confusion and Bewilderment turning out for Fax in the stands and Rubbing Hands and Glee for Batley.

Even more spot on than the first post that Hudds thought was spot on when it wasn’t for the reasons stated above so two

Good game and great win. Back home and watching it again. Looks like we have picked a few injuries. JWH looke like a hamstring, keys the same ankle/ foot as last week and
Fairbank had a knee strapped. Salty had a blinder and it was good to see a played sent from the field who wasn’t wearing a Panthers shirt.

Really enjoyed that, surprised to see Arundel in, but he played strongly. If JWH has done his hamstring that's a disaster as he's been consistently excellent both in defence and linking up with the halves on attack. Hope the other potential injuries aren't too serious, Salty showed he can cover at fullback with Tibbbs coming in on the wing. Lost count of all the suspensions - hopefully not too far off getting Gee back. Presumably Aston won't be able to play against us next week, subject to not too many injuries from today I'd definitely fancy us for another win.

Aye, that was an excellent performance with signs of us getting back to our best and a repeat of that should be good enough to bring the points back from Sheffield. On our day there's only Leigh better than us in this division but we could do with some luck regarding injuries. Batley have been consistently good this year but I thought we were too good for them especially going forward with Jouffret pulling the strings along with a great show from Fairbank. All in all a very pleasing evening at The Shay and a big step forward to us getting that 3rd position at least. Up The Fax!

Great team performance, obviously the 3 in 8 took its toll on Batley but regardless I was shocked how physical we looked against such a big side . ( our pack plays like a team full of Morgan smithies)Hope the injuries aren’t too bad . Across the board we were on it from minute 1 , we just need to work on our discipline as that’s what let’s teams back in the arm wrestle . Despite not scoring its noticeable how walmsey is carrying the ball out much stronger , I think another preseason with Scott under his belt he’s gonna be some player next year .

Obviously losing Woody is massive for us and hopefully Keyes just taken off as a precaution and it left us a little disjointed in the second half but in the first half lets be honest we looked like scoring every time we had the ball and the plan was clear to move the big Bulldogs pack all over the field and it was surprising how often we managed to get our forwards in one on one situations with their opposites.

In relation to the league the result has bought us the chance to likely be able to lose at least 1 game and still get 3rd place. Looking at the fixtures Sheffield is going to be a tough one and then Widnes away looks really tricky the way they are playing. Presuming Woody will miss 3 or 4 weeks that should have him back for the Fev game which I fancy our chances in. Batley won't have it easy against Barrow but you presume they should be good enough and then a tricky tie down in London who seem to have found some form before having to go to Leigh. York could still come in to it but our points difference makes it like we are 2 wins in front of them.

Agree with what the previous posters have said including Hudds


We had too much energy for a Batley side on their third outing in a week, fast attacking line speed and some crunching hits with 3 or 4 in on the tackles.

One thought about Keys, particularly after having his ankle re strapped and especially for the conversion attempts nearer the sticks and kick off's LJ or Wombat could have taken the kicks with him having a damaged foot!?

A very good win and the only negative was the injury's we picked up. Woody did not look good at all with his hamstring keyes is carrying a ankle injury which he could do with a few weeks off to get right fairbank played very well had is knee strapped and lets hope louis passes is head test. We will have garside back for friday and hopefully tibbs too and a final mention to brandon moore i did not expect him to play yesterday but credit were it is due he must of been in some pain.

Batley lost to Barrow today. God result for us