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| Quote ="Doom&Gloom Merchant"[u The stars move across the nights sky as the Earth is spinning innit Our Solar System orbits the centre of the Milky Way, . [/u'"
Hahahaha Nope. That's probably what you've been told. Whose this alter ego. Hahaha Ferocious Aardvark
[iNASA and modern astronomy claim that star-trails in the Southern Hemisphere rotate clockwise, while those in the North rotate Anti-clockwise and provide this as proof positive of their spinning ball-Earth. In reality, however, the Earth is an extended flat plane and all the stars and other celestial bodies rotate East to West around Polaris, the only non-moving star in the sky situated perfectly in line directly above the North Pole. The so-called "South Pole" and South Pole star "Sigma Octantis" are both myths - complete fabrications to bolster their ball model. The following video exposes the entire hoax and explains in detail how star-trails work on the flat Earth model, and how they do NOT on the ball.[/i [url=https://youtu.be/ahNfU7zYlmYStar trails Explained[/url
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[iWho says galaxies exist? NASA? NASA has zero credibility. NASA came into existence and prevented anybody else from doing their own exploration. They have a monopoly, and their imagery is all faked. Those galaxies are illustrations. [/i
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[iEven if you were to ignore all the evidence that NASA is just a high budget fantasy space storyteller, and if you were to believe galaxies exist, then why in the heck would you believe anybody can determine a galaxy moves? In this instance of time, how can anyone determine direction and speed?[/i
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[iThe stars above have not moved relative to each other for thousands of years (for all time), and they all keep coming back to the same location after a predictable amount of time. Even the planets (moving stars) have followed a predictable and repeated path for thousands of years.
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[iThere is no expansion. It's all a grand storytelling scheme.[/i
[iStar trail time-lapse photography is absolute proof that Earth is the stationary centre of the universe around which everything in the sky revolves. If the Earth's supposed motion was what caused the star trail effect, Earth would have to be performing daily 360 loop-de-loops, inverting upside down, coming back around, and NOT rotating on an axis, otherwise the same stars would not remain visible in the sky for well over 12 hours (as they do), and would all move across the sky horizontally. The fact that we can see the same stars all night long revolving perfect circles around Polaris proves it is the stars moving relative to a fixed Earth and not the Earth doing roller-coaster loops around Polaris. Also, the stars are all said to be at varying incredible distances from one another so their relative positions to each other should be shifting constantly. In actual fact, however, all the constellations maintain their positions relative to one another day after day, year after year. This is only possible if we are fixed and the universe is a fixed sphere moving around us, like a planetarium dome.[/i
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[i[size=150Hahahaha CGI Alert. What's that. I'm stuck between A Black Christmas Tree or Atari Asteroids. PMSL[/size[/i
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| Stan you have just convinced me you are a troll. But, either way you are at this point not worth taking seriously given the depths to which such desperate retorts have sunk. This sub-puerile stuff doesn't merit any response.
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| Quote ="Ferocious Aardvark"Stan you have just convinced me you are a troll. But, either way you are at this point not worth taking seriously given the depths to which such desperate retorts have sunk. This sub-puerile stuff doesn't merit any response.'"
I am no Troll. I'm passionate about my beliefs. How can i take you seriously when you continue to post cartoon composites. Do me a favour. Godwins Law or what. You Abuse means you lose. Bye.
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| Quote ="FLAT STANLEY"[i[size=150Hahahaha CGI Alert. What's that. I'm stuck between A Black Christmas Tree or Atari Asteroids. PMSL[/size[/i
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On what possible grounds can you realistically claim that this image is a fake? You know nothing about it nor the photographers who created the composite. Your knee jerk "CGI" bawl is what you do for *E*V*E*R*Y* image that is too hard for you to address.
In fact, the credits for the image are as follows:
Quote Paul Mortfield
Paul Mortfield is an astronomer and computer scientist who has returned to Canada after nearly 20 years in California. While there, he was involved in creating innovative education and public outreach activities with Stanford University's Solar Observatories Group, and their involvement in NASA's SOHO Solar spacecraft. He continues collaborations with NASA scientists on a variety of projects and is a member of NASA's Education Products Review team. Paul is chair of the Solar Division of the American Association of Variable Star Observers (AAVSO), a group that has been responsible for computing the American Relative Sunspot number for over 60 years.
Paul is a sought-after guest speaker at scientific and educational conferences, including the National Science Teachers Association Convention, astronomy clubs, star parties and the Advanced Imaging Conference. He is also a regular television commentator on astronomy, having appeared on CBS-5 in San Francisco, CNN, the Discovery Channel and most notably, as the regular host of NASA-TV's educational broadcasts on solar astronomy.
A passionate astro-photographer, Paul's photographs have appeared in magazines, calendars, and NASA educational materials. There are on display in galleries and science in North America and Europe. He has also created software to guide telescopes in photographing fast moving comets. To date, Paul has discovered 3 asteroids.
In his hi-tech career, Paul successfully led software development and engineering teams in large scale projects. He is an expert in automated test systems design and QA processes and operations. He has taught computer science and astronomy courses at colleges in the United States and Canada.
In his free time, Paul plays blues piano and guitar. He uses his backyard and remote observatories for research projects, astrophotography and sharing the night sky with family and friends.'"
Stefano Cancelli is a prominent member of the Royal Astronomical Society of Canada, Toronto Chapter.
What justification or right do you have for questioning their bona fides?
But perhaps the most stupid aspect is that if you look through a decent telescope you aould see the current location of Barnard's star for yourself. And check that it has moved. And verify the information. But you would rather close your mind to the plain truth and facts. You would probably claim it is a NASA "holograph" or something.
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| Quote ="King Street Cat"[uQuestion for you Stanley - If you jump into the air on a moving train, do you land in the same spot or slightly further back?[/u'"
[iAs for your moving train example there's absolutely no doubt of proof that the earth is stationary. When sitting in a rapidly moving railway carriage, let a spring-gun be fired forward, or in the direction in which the train is moving. Again, let the same gun be fired, but in the opposite direction; and it will be found that[u the ball or other projectile will always go further in the first case than in the latter.[/u[/i
[iIf a person leaps backwards from a horse in full gallop, he cannot jump so great a distance as he can by jumping forward. Leaping from a moving sledge, coach, or other object, backwards or forwards, the same results are experienced. Many other practical cases could be cited to show that any body projected from another body in motion, does not exhibit the same behaviour as it does when projected from a body at rest. None of the results are the same when projected in the same direction as that in which the body moves, as when projected in the opposite direction; because, in the former case, the projected body receives its momentum from the projectile force, plus that given to it by the moving body; and in the latter case, this momentum, minus that of the moving body. Hence it would be found that if the earth is moving rapidly from west to east, a cannon fired in a due easterly direction would send a ball to a greater distance than it would if fired in a due westerly direction.[u But the most experienced artillerymen many of whom have had great practice, both at home and abroad, in almost every latitude have declared that no difference whatever is observable. That in charging and pointing their guns, no difference in the working is ever required.[/u[/i[
[iGunners in war ships have noticed a considerable difference in the results of their firing from guns at the bow, when sailing rapidly towards the object fired at, and when firing from guns placed at the stern while sailing away from the object: and in both cases the results are different to those observed when firing from a ship at perfect rest.[u These details of practical experience are utterly incompatible with the supposition of a revolving earth.[/u[/i [iThanks for your input in clearing this up.[/i
Quote ="Ferocious Aardvark" [i[uOn what possible grounds can you realistically claim that this image is a fake?[/u[/i [iYou know nothing about it nor the photographers who created the[/i=#BF0000 composite. Your knee jerk "CGI" bawl is what you do for *E*V*E*R*Y* image that is too hard for you to address.
Quote Paul Mortfield [iPaul Mortfield is an =#BF0000[uAstronomer and computer scientist [/uwho has returned to Canada after nearly 20 years in California. While there, he was involved in creating innovative education and public outreach activities with Stanford University's Solar Observatories Group, and their involvement in NASA's SOHO Solar spacecraft. He continues collaborations with NASA scientists on a variety of projects and is a member of NASA's Education Products Review team. Paul is chair of the Solar Division of the American Association of Variable Star Observers (AAVSO)=#800000[u, a group that has been responsible for computing the American Relative Sunspot number for over 60 years.[/u
Paul is a sought-after guest speaker at scientific and educational conferences, including the National Science Teachers Association Convention, astronomy clubs, star parties and the =#BF0000[uAdvanced Imaging Conference.[/u He is also a regular television commentator on astronomy, having appeared on CBS-5 in San Francisco, CNN, the Discovery Channel and most notably, as the regular host of NASA-TV's educational broadcasts on solar astronomy.
A passionate astro-photographer, Paul's photographs have appeared in magazines, calendars, and NASA educational materials. There are on display in galleries and science centres in North America and Europe=#BF0000[u. He has also created software to guide telescopes in photographing fast moving comets.[/u To date, Paul has discovered 3 asteroids.
In his hi-tech career,=#BF0000[u Paul successfully led software development and engineering teams in large scale projects[/u. He is an expert in automated test systems design and QA processes and operations. He has taught computer science and astronomy courses at colleges in the United States and Canada.
In his free time, Paul plays blues piano and guitar. He uses his backyard and remote observatories for research projects, astrophotography and sharing the night sky with family and friends[/i.'" '"
[i[uQuote Ferocious Aardvark Wrote: What justification or right do you have for questioning their bona fides?'" [/u As i've highlighted above a plethora of evidence of his CGI fetish. I also highlighted your comment where you admitted the shot is a composite here=#FF0000 "You know nothing about it nor the photographers who created the composite" .Hahaha You're becoming more of a laugh post by post, Look at your contradictory tongue twisted comment in your first paragraph in your laat post. I highlighted it, please carry on amusing me.[/i
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| No, I have now blocked you, because not only are you more deluded than any other person I have ever conversed with, you are now rambling, ranting, simply spouting increasingly irrelevant nonsense, and appear hysterical.
Your increasingly bizarre behaviour, coupled with the fact that you have a total block on ever even considering a single thing anybody else writes, unless it fits your obsessive lunatic drivel, means that whatever you are, there is no point in attempted comunication as you are no longer on "receive". If you ever were.
Goodbye, Stanley. Parts of it were interesting, but no longer. We shall not speak again.
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| Quote ="Ferocious Aardvark"No, I have now blocked you, because not only are you more deluded than any other person I have ever conversed with, you are now rambling, ranting, simply spouting increasingly irrelevant nonsense, and appear hysterical.
Your increasingly bizarre behaviour, coupled with the fact that you have a total block on ever even considering a single thing anybody else writes, unless it fits your[u obsessive lunatic drivel[/u, means that whatever you are, there is no point in attempted comunication as you are no longer on "receive". If you ever were.
Goodbye, Stanley. Parts of it were interesting, but no longer. We shall not speak again.'"
No worries, i'll miss your amusing tongue twisters proves how you can give it, but can't take it, Also obsessive lunatic personal digs eh Despite your immature vitriolic abuse i wish you well in your future endeavours. Adios.
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| Quote ="Ferocious Aardvark"No, I have now blocked you, because not only are you more deluded than any other person I have ever conversed with, you are now rambling, ranting, simply spouting increasingly irrelevant nonsense, and appear hysterical.
Your increasingly bizarre behaviour, coupled with the fact that you have a total block on ever even considering a single thing anybody else writes, unless it fits your obsessive lunatic drivel, means that whatever you are, there is no point in attempted comunication as you are no longer on "receive". If you ever were.
Goodbye, Stanley. Parts of it were interesting, but no longer. We shall not speak again.'"
“When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser.” - Socrates.
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| I'm confused - just for the sake of summarising, are we now being asked to believe that:
1. the earth is flat and stationary
2. satellites are a figment of millions of imaginations, all working in sync to perpetuate a massive and pointless lie
3. space exploration and everything we know about the solar system and beyond is made up (see point 2)
4. Nuclear energy is actually just a big kettle, and it's all made up (see points 2&3)
5. Aeroplanes don't fly where we expect them to and all the data to suggest otherwise is made up (see points 2,3&4)
6. Gravity and Newtonian laws of physics are lies, made up and perpetuated by a secret society that has persisted through the ages to stop us believing in god
7. God is real
Have I missed anything?
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| Quote ="bren2k"Have I missed anything?'"
8. All terrorist attacks whether they be stabbings, shootings or bombings are 'false flags' or cleverly staged hoaxes.
9. All significant people in law, money, music, religion, politics, royalty, government, business, entertainment, media, news, whether past or present, are involved in secret societies or secret brotherhoods.
10. All wars have been manipulated by the above, including Bobby Davro and Kenn Dodd.
11. 1-10 can all be traced back to the Freemasons and it's been going on for nearly a thousand years.
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| Quote ="King Street Cat"8. All terrorist attacks whether they be stabbings, shootings or bombings are 'false flags' or cleverly staged hoaxes.
9. All significant people in law, money, music, religion, politics, royalty, government, business, entertainment, media, news, whether past or present, are involved in secret societies or secret brotherhoods.
10. All wars have been manipulated by the above, including Bobby Davro and Kenn Dodd.
[i[u11. 1-10 can all be traced back to the Freemasons and it's been going on for nearly a thousand years[/u[/i.'"
Couldn't of explained it better
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Quote ="bren2k"I'm confused - just for the sake of summarising, are we now being asked to believe that:
1. the earth is flat and stationary
2. satellites are a figment of millions of imaginations, all working in sync to perpetuate a massive and pointless lie
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The satellites are not actually a figment of imagination though. How NASA does this, I can't imagine, but they must have these infinitely powered holographic projectors all over the entire world, which beam fake images of thousands of orbiting satellites into the night sky, so that of the 0.1% (or whatever of the population who ever bother to look for them, and of those, the 0.1% who go further and want to check the satellites position, direction and brightness against the permanently available ephemera, it will all, precisely, correspond!
This really is a technological feat. You have some monster holographic globe=wide setup, entirely hidden permanently from view, which yet somehow manages to transmit perfectly calibrated images of thousands of satellites, without fail, to the second, wherever you are on the planet. For no purpose, given that 99.9999% of the world's population have not the faintest interest in any of the satellites.
It is truly mindbendingly impressive, almost as impressive as it is utterly pointless. I mean, for some reason the prediction is that the sky watching conditions tonight will be good. If so, and if you are in Leeds, here is a full list of all the "satellites" you will be able to watch with your own eyes, in a reasonably clear and reasonably dark sky, around teatime. Each will appear precisely when and wher predicted, be visible for exactly the period predicted, and exit your view precisley as predicted. Why, they even tell you what each object is!
These mind you are just the brighter ones which you have a chance of seeing with the naked eye.
You can easily download a list personal to your location on the planet from the excellent and free www.heavens-above.com
It really is a fantastic resource.
I think it is wonderful that they go to all this trouble, don't you?
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1. the earth is flat and stationary
2. satellites are a figment of millions of imaginations, all working in sync to perpetuate a massive and pointless lie
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The satellites are not actually a figment of imagination though. How NASA does this, I can't imagine, but they must have these infinitely powered holographic projectors all over the entire world, which beam fake images of thousands of orbiting satellites into the night sky, so that of the 0.1% (or whatever of the population who ever bother to look for them, and of those, the 0.1% who go further and want to check the satellites position, direction and brightness against the permanently available ephemera, it will all, precisely, correspond!
This really is a technological feat. You have some monster holographic globe=wide setup, entirely hidden permanently from view, which yet somehow manages to transmit perfectly calibrated images of thousands of satellites, without fail, to the second, wherever you are on the planet. For no purpose, given that 99.9999% of the world's population have not the faintest interest in any of the satellites.
It is truly mindbendingly impressive, almost as impressive as it is utterly pointless. I mean, for some reason the prediction is that the sky watching conditions tonight will be good. If so, and if you are in Leeds, here is a full list of all the "satellites" you will be able to watch with your own eyes, in a reasonably clear and reasonably dark sky, around teatime. Each will appear precisely when and wher predicted, be visible for exactly the period predicted, and exit your view precisley as predicted. Why, they even tell you what each object is!
These mind you are just the brighter ones which you have a chance of seeing with the naked eye.
You can easily download a list personal to your location on the planet from the excellent and free www.heavens-above.com
It really is a fantastic resource.
I think it is wonderful that they go to all this trouble, don't you?
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| Quote ="Ferocious Aardvark"I think it is wonderful that they go to all this trouble, don't you?'"
Yes I do - and I still want to know why; what possible benefit could there be to the worldwide secret society of Freemasons who've been collectively pulling the wool over our sheep-like eyes for centuries, if the world's population suddenly found out that space isn't real? If it isn't real, why create and perpetuate the most complicated cover-up job ever conceived?
I don't get it.
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| Quote ="Ferocious Aardvark"The holographic globe=wide setup'"
You mean disc-wide?
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| Quote ="bren2k"Yes I do - and I still want to know why; what possible benefit could there be to the worldwide secret society of Freemasons who've been collectively pulling the wool over our sheep-like eyes for centuries, if the world's population suddenly found out that space isn't real? If it isn't real, why create and perpetuate the most complicated cover-up job ever conceived?
I don't get it.'"
That's the key question to the Flat-Earthers. Why? Why bother? What's the point?
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| Quote ="Ferocious Aardvark"You have some monster holographic globe=wide setup, entirely hidden permanently from view, which yet somehow manages to transmit perfectly calibrated images of thousands of satellites, without fail, to the second, wherever you are on the planet. '"
I'm interested to know how they project through the big ice walls, or are we missing something? Do they project onto the big ice walls? Are we really ice bound in a complex Truman Show?
I'm sure the flat one will be along soon with another batch of YouTube videos to show us how it all works.
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| [iPlease find me an authentic piece of evidence that shows the earth from space without fisheye lenses or CGI goodluck. You'd think all that NASA junk orbiting the so called Globe could produce ONE single authentic footage except for [/i[url=https://youtu.be/l7BhcufC-5Y?t=643THIS.[/url [iproving Beautiful flat horizon.[/i
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| Would it not be better for all concerned on here to give the paranoid posters there own proper section on the main boards as, let's face it, there's very little science or technology being posted by them in the 'Science & Technology' sub-section? Or at least stick this thread in the Sin Bin with the other nonsense threads.
Just a thought.
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| Quote ="Ferocious Aardvark"[i[uThe satellites are not actually a figment of imagination though. How NASA does this,[/u[/i I can't imagine, but they must have these infinitely powered holographic projectors all over the entire world, which beam fake images of thousands of orbiting satellites into the night sky, so that of the 0.1% (or whatever of the population who ever bother to look for them, and of those, the 0.1% who go further and want to check the satellites position, direction and brightness against the permanently available ephemera, it will all, precisely, correspond! '"
Copy, Paste, Repeat.Thought you had finished posting on the Lunatic thread anyway.
Quote FLAT STANLEY Wrote:[i As my research has indicated there are a plethora of platforms that can mimic satellite utility, so lets review.
1. Land-based technologies. Loran (long range navigation). 2. GPS uses Cell-tower triangulation not Satellites
3. High Altitude Airships (HAA) 4. High Altitude Platforms (HAP)
5. Lighter-than-air vehicles (LAV) 6. High Altitude Long Endurance (HALE)
7. High Altitude Long Operation (HALO) 8. StratSat
9. Airborne Relay Communication (ARC) 10. HeliPlat which connects to the HeliNet System
11. High Altitude Shuttle System (HASS) 12. Small Balloon Systems (SBS)
13. Nano Balloon Systems (NBS) 14. Google Loon System
15. Stratospheric Platform Systems (SPS) 16. High Altitude Long Endurance Demonstrator (HALE-D)
17 Undersea Cable 18. DARPA Integrated Sensor is Structure or ISIS
So as you see there are at least 18 platforms that can be used independently, in tandem or groups to provide all the services that satellites supposedly provide. The most glaring aspect of satellite fakery is cost. All 18 platforms I've mentioned are substantially more cost-efficient than satellites and inherently more reliable. It makes no sense to continually risk hurling satellites into space if more cost-efficient, reliable and readily maintainable terrestrial systems already exist, which they do, the dubious existence of satellites is even more definitive since NASA cannot furnish a single actual photo or video footage of real satellites.[/i
=#800000[i[uWhich is more probable. That satellites exist but NASA seems incapable of confirming their existence or simply they do not exist at all? Occam's Razor makes it simple, they don't exist at all.[/u[/i
I await the next batch of cranial insults and the tongue twisted comedy'" [i Simples[/i
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If there aren't any Satellites, would be NASA's reason for creating the concept of Satellites & making people think they're there? Why would they bother?
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| Quote ="Doom&Gloom Merchant"If there aren't any Satellites, would be NASA's reason for creating the concept of Satellites & making people think they're there? Why would they bother?'"
Easy. It reinforce's people like you perception's of the globe theory and the Illusion that They're in Control of Space. Two Birds One Stone. And also telecommunication companies can rip you off monetary wise saying it costs an arm and a leg sending their fakery up in fireworks. Simples.
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| Quote ="FLAT STANLEY"Easy. It reinforce's people like you perception's of the globe theory and the Illusion that They're in Control of Space. Two Birds One Stone. And also they can rip you off monetary wise saying it costs an arm and a leg sending fireworks up there. Simples.'"
And for what purpose? Why the need to make people believe the Earth is a globe and that there's a space out there? What's the goal and why has it been kept up for hundreds of years?
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