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| Quote Ferocious Aardvark Wrote: [iGPS is entirely based on SATELLITES which constantly broadcast to the ground.[/i '" Quote
Ferocious Aardvark wrote:If you want to claim I'm "wrong", give us a clue about what?=#FF0000[i Who said planes "have a satellite feed"'" [/i
Hahaha you're getting all tangled up in your Copy and paste frenzy. Make your mind up. I don't need to prove you're wrong, you do a Grand job doing it yourself. Please carry on 
As my research has indicated there are a plethora of platforms that can mimic satellite utility, so lets review.
=#BF00001. Land-based technologies. Loran (long range navigation) =#FF0000. 2. GPS uses Cell-tower triangulation not Satellites
=#FF00003. High Altitude Airships (HAA) =#BF0000 4. High Altitude Platforms (HAP)
=#FF00005. Lighter-than-air vehicles (LAV) =#FF00406. High Altitude Long Endurance (HALE)
=#BF00007. High Altitude Long Operation (HALO) =#FF00408. StratSat
=#FF00009. Airborne Relay Communication (ARC) =#FF0000 10. HeliPlat which connects to the HeliNet System
=#FF000011. High Altitude Shuttle System (HASS) =#FF0000 12. Small Balloon Systems (SBS)
=#FF000013. Nano Balloon Systems (NBS) =#BF0000 14. Google Loon System
=#FF000015. Stratospheric Platform Systems (SPS) =#FF0000 16. High Altitude Long Endurance Demonstrator (HALE-D)
=#FF000017 Undersea Cable =#FF0000 18. DARPA Integrated Sensor is Structure or ISIS
So as you see there are at least 18 platforms that can be used independently, in tandem or groups to provide all the services that satellites supposedly provide. The most glaring aspect of satellite fakery is cost. All 18 platforms I've mentioned are substantially more cost-efficient than satellites and inherently more reliable. It makes no sense to continually risk hurling satellites into space if more cost-efficient, reliable and readily maintainable terrestrial systems already exist, which they do, the dubious existence of satellites is even more definitive since NASA cannot furnish a single actual photo or video footage of real satellites.
Which is more probable. That satellites exist but NASA seems incapable of confirming their existence or simply they do not exist at all? =#BF0000Occam's Razor makes it simple, they don't exist at all.
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Poor Stanley. You, of all people, praying Occam in aid must be one of the most ironic and amusing things I've read in a long while. You are to Occam what Toulouse Lautrec was to pole-vaulting.
There are over 1,000 active satellites currently in orbit around the Earth, and over 2,500 more which no longer function.
Careful watch is also kept on as many as possible of the tens of thousands of pieces of space junk/debris as these could pose a threat to live satellites and also for warning when larger debris is going to re-enter the atmosphere.
On a clear night, any short spell of sky watching will enable you to see several of these satellites passing overhead. If you have the right app, you can easily identify them.
There are a number of independent bits of software for you to identify track etc as many satellites as you want, for example www.satflare.com
I would highly recommend stuffin.space/
Despite the tracking, given the sheer volume of metal whizzing around the globe, collisions are inevitable, and on 11 February 2009 Russia's Cosmos 2251 satellite collided with one of the network of 66 Iridium satellites at 0455 GMT over Siberia at an altitude of 490 miles (790 km). This would have been much less inconvenient for all concerned had the satellites not actually existed.
Your convoluted net of cellphone masts etc and millions of balloons is obvious plain bollox given that 70% of the Earth's surface is ocean, and doesn't have either masts or tethered balloons or any of the other weird and wonderful figments of your mentors' imagination, which strangely no human eyes have ever seen, despite them running the entire world "satellite based" technology. Yet GPS works just as well in mid-Pacific or at the Poles as it does in Leeds.
You are a special kind of gullible. "NASA incapable of confirming the existence of satellites"? That is one of your best ones yet. Any reasonably educated human on the planet can within seconds confirm the existence of any of the thousands of satellites as suggested above. And you can watch them with your own eyes when they are due to pass across.
One of them - the International Space Station - often has a live feed and you can watch it's track around the globe all day and all night and when available, a live feed from its cameras. This afternoon as I posted earlier you can even watch Tim Peake's live spacewalk.
If you are up at 05:46 in the morning, and the sky is reasonably clear, here's a good one for you. The ISS will emerge from Earth's shadow quite high in the South, and you can watch it until it disappears over the eastern horizon. A decent pair of binoculars and you will even me able to make out its shape. It will be exactly where the orbit prediction software in various apps and programs predicts it will be.
Which enables astronomers/amateur photographers on Earth to take gazillions of photographs of it as it makes its way. For example, google "ISS crossing sun". Any number of photographers have indpendently taken images and here is a tiny sample of that search
Similarly images of ISS crossing the moon - here is just one, but a very nice one, taken not by NASA or any science organisation, just an independent photographer called Dylan O'Donnell
You could do it too.
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Poor Stanley. You, of all people, praying Occam in aid must be one of the most ironic and amusing things I've read in a long while. You are to Occam what Toulouse Lautrec was to pole-vaulting.
There are over 1,000 active satellites currently in orbit around the Earth, and over 2,500 more which no longer function.
Careful watch is also kept on as many as possible of the tens of thousands of pieces of space junk/debris as these could pose a threat to live satellites and also for warning when larger debris is going to re-enter the atmosphere.
On a clear night, any short spell of sky watching will enable you to see several of these satellites passing overhead. If you have the right app, you can easily identify them.
There are a number of independent bits of software for you to identify track etc as many satellites as you want, for example www.satflare.com
I would highly recommend stuffin.space/
Despite the tracking, given the sheer volume of metal whizzing around the globe, collisions are inevitable, and on 11 February 2009 Russia's Cosmos 2251 satellite collided with one of the network of 66 Iridium satellites at 0455 GMT over Siberia at an altitude of 490 miles (790 km). This would have been much less inconvenient for all concerned had the satellites not actually existed.
Your convoluted net of cellphone masts etc and millions of balloons is obvious plain bollox given that 70% of the Earth's surface is ocean, and doesn't have either masts or tethered balloons or any of the other weird and wonderful figments of your mentors' imagination, which strangely no human eyes have ever seen, despite them running the entire world "satellite based" technology. Yet GPS works just as well in mid-Pacific or at the Poles as it does in Leeds.
You are a special kind of gullible. "NASA incapable of confirming the existence of satellites"? That is one of your best ones yet. Any reasonably educated human on the planet can within seconds confirm the existence of any of the thousands of satellites as suggested above. And you can watch them with your own eyes when they are due to pass across.
One of them - the International Space Station - often has a live feed and you can watch it's track around the globe all day and all night and when available, a live feed from its cameras. This afternoon as I posted earlier you can even watch Tim Peake's live spacewalk.
If you are up at 05:46 in the morning, and the sky is reasonably clear, here's a good one for you. The ISS will emerge from Earth's shadow quite high in the South, and you can watch it until it disappears over the eastern horizon. A decent pair of binoculars and you will even me able to make out its shape. It will be exactly where the orbit prediction software in various apps and programs predicts it will be.
Which enables astronomers/amateur photographers on Earth to take gazillions of photographs of it as it makes its way. For example, google "ISS crossing sun". Any number of photographers have indpendently taken images and here is a tiny sample of that search
Similarly images of ISS crossing the moon - here is just one, but a very nice one, taken not by NASA or any science organisation, just an independent photographer called Dylan O'Donnell
You could do it too.
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Now I don't want to derail the subject here, just making an observation.
Anyone who holds a radically different view about something like the Earth's shape has to then squeeze and bend more and more associated things to fit the idea, rather than drop an idea based on overwhelming evidence. What I see on this thread is one of those things.
If you don't believe the Earth is a globe then you need to have other ideas about obvious things. Satellites, Gravity, Astronauts, GPS, Relativity, Mathematics, Climate, astrophysics, Stars, planets, Aircraft, communications. Then you have to find out a reason why Governments, corporations, universities, hobbyists, explorers, scientists, (A lot of which are not overly friendly with each other) and the general public are deliberately hiding the truth. Then you have to formulate a reason why they would do it.
It must be exhausting.
This is how I see it at least, and I'm sure they truly believe what they say.
What really interests me is why they have the core belief in the first place? Whatever drives it must be strong and underpin their whole world view. The only thing I can think of is a religious reason. Although, it is a fairly modern phenomena, contrary to the popular belief that religion always thought the earth was flat, which isn't strictly true. At least, not to the levels people think.
Anyway, sorry for the slight derailment.
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| Oh my word i'm in hysterics sat in my chair. Just look at the fake CGI on display. Hahahahaha
Quote There are over 1,000 active satellites currently in orbit around the Earth=#FF0000, and over 2,500 more which no longer function '"
The above comment proves my last paragraph in my last post. 2500 Malfunctions Great value for money there. So as you see there are at least 18 platforms that can be used independently, in tandem or groups to provide all the services that satellites supposedly provide. The most glaring aspect of satellite fakery is cost. =#BF0000 [iAll 18 platforms I've mentioned are substantially more cost-efficient than satellites and inherently more reliable. It makes no sense to continually risk hurling satellites into space if more cost-efficient, reliable and readily maintainable terrestrial systems already exist, which they do, the dubious existence of satellites is even more definitive since NASA cannot furnish a single actual photo or video footage of real satellites.[/i
Quote Ferocious Aardvark Wrote =#FF0000You are a special kind of gullible. "NASA incapable of confirming the existence of satellites"? That is one of your best ones yet. Any reasonably educated human on the planet can within seconds confirm the existence of any of the thousands of satellites as suggested above. And you can watch them with your own eyes when they are due to pass across. '"
Gullible. You're the one who's believing the all the nonsense matey not me. NASA cannot supply one authentic Satellite shot.
And the CGI cartoon pictures are hilarious. Please take up a photography course my stomach aches through laughter. Duping you is a doddle
Here's a link to all supposed [url=https://62e528761d0685343e1c-f3d1b99a743ffa4142d9d7f1978d9686.ssl.cf2.rackcdn.com/files/2110/width668/aapone-20090212000154539144-us-space-accident-satellite-original.jpgSatellites[/url that allegedly surround the alleged globe. How come the ISS pictures don't show these orbiting Satellites or stars in the background its because they're composites, any decent eye can figure that out.
And Freemason Twin Peake doing a space walk in a vacuum travelling 5 miles per second is double hilarious. I bet we don't see the orbiting Satellites below or any star constellation what you'll see is a pre recorded Green screen film aided by Hollywood. | | | |
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| Quote ="TheButcher"What really interests me is why they have the core belief in the first place? Whatever drives it must be strong and underpin their whole world view. =#BF0000The only thing I can think of is a religious reason. Although, it is a fairly modern phenomena, contrary to the popular belief that religion always thought the earth was flat, which isn't strictly true. At least, not to the levels people think.'"
Nail on head. Ever since the 1500's. Heliocentrism eliminates God. Heliocentrism is Sun worship. Who wants to hide God and Sun worships. ? Freemasonic Luciferian NWO doctrine. Full stop. The same people who run the World Governments, All Media and NASA Simples. | | |
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| Quote ="FLAT STANLEY"Oh my word i'm in hysterics sat in my chair. Just look at the fake CGI on display. '"
There is NO doubt - as in ZERO - that ANYONE, you included, can photograph the ISS as it passes by.
You ignore this. How could you do it? Does NASA transmit CGI into your visual cortex or what/
Why do you ignore the very obvious and very basic points put to you?
Quote ="FLAT STANLEY"The above comment proves my last paragraph in my last post. 2500 Malfunctions Great value for money there. '"
Space is an extremely harsh environment and all satellites have a limited shelf life. They must be VFM, though, as otherwise, why would all the major countries and many private companies continually launch 'em?
Quote ="FLAT STANLEY"NASA cannot furnish a single actual photo or video footage of real satellites.'"
Of course it can. But even if provided with a billion photos or videos, you would say "Those are all fake".
Here's one for starters: a shuttle capturing the Hubble telescope, on a service mission
By the way, Hubble has produced squillions of images over many years, none of which could be obtained from Earth. If it did not exist, how could that happen?
Quote ="FLAT STANLEY"How come the ISS pictures don't show these orbiting Satellites or stars in the background its because they're composites, any decent eye can figure that out. '"
if NASA or ESA wanted to create a fake scenario, your hypothesis relies on the odd idea that - oops-a-daisy - they would forget to "put the stars in" or whatever. Really? That is a dumb proposition even for you. (But oddly it does echo one of the more stupid "moon hoax" claims that you couldn't see the stars in the photos - have you learned nothing from those?) As it happens I do know quite a lot about photography. As you don't know the answer to such a simple question, you are clearly ignorant in the subject.
Quote ="FLAT STANLEY"And Freemason Twin Peake doing a space walk in a vacuum travelling 5 miles per second is double hilarious. I bet we don't see the orbiting Satellites below or any star constellation what you'll see is a pre recorded Green screen film aided by Hollywood.
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It's a pity you can't hear everyone laughing at you claiming the spacewalk is a grenscreen hoax. You do make yourself look naive, gullible and mad in equal measure with consummate ease.
But as ever you avoid the questions that you can't answer. Like, if there is no ISS - how come YOU can with your unaided eyes see the ISS?
Come on Stan, it's a simple challenge. Or do you even reject the evidence of your own eyes in favour of your barking bats[size=5 =#FFFFFF.[/sizehit fabric of multilayered nonsense? | | |
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Ive been a silent viewer of these boards for many years. I was tickled into joining this particular forum as certain topics besides my beloved Leigh Centurions Thread tickled my fancy. I was obviously drawn to the Nuclear thread where I have a strong family interest within that field, but as I read through most of the off topic threads Its damn right clear as snow that theres a massive sway of anti Stanley screeches. The stick hes swallowed is absolutely diabolical. Theres an outright type of racism or bullying being portrayed throughout these threads with mainly one perpetrator pulling the strings just for having a varied outlook on life.
Oh by the way them photos look disputable. Im not laughing at you Stan Im laughing at the childish wiffle waffle. HeHe
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Please take a photography course your gullibility levels are raging. just keep digging yourself deeper, You are so indoctrinated that you don't even trust your own God given senses. Copernicus made all of his observations with the naked eye and constructed his heliocentric model that all Academia received as Gospel truth for at least 200 years. Yes before Hot air Balloons and 400 years before planes were invented so that we could see the landscape we live on. On top of that he didn't even have a telescope, why because they weren't invented then. Just like the Hubble Telescope doesn't exist nor does the International space station. Oh but don't take time to do any of your own research just start a argument because you believe something exists. Congratulations you have won the Parrot of the year award.  | | |
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| Quote ="whothefeckisalice"Ive been a silent viewer of these boards for many years. I was tickled into joining this particular forum as certain topics besides my beloved Leigh Centurions Thread tickled my fancy. I was obviously drawn to the Nuclear thread where I have a strong family interest within that field, but as I read through most of the off topic threads Its damn right clear as snow that theres a massive sway of anti Stanley screeches. The stick hes swallowed is absolutely diabolical. Theres an outright type of racism or bullying being portrayed throughout these threads with mainly one perpetrator pulling the strings just for having a varied outlook on life.
Oh by the way them photos look disputable. Im not laughing at you Stan Im laughing at the childish wiffle waffle. HeHe'"
I'm not sure what your definition of racism is, but having never met Stanley and never discussed race, mention race, or say anything remotely connected to it at any point (Both him and me) or seen anyone else do so no matter how much they've argued. I'm struggling to think that you have a flair for the dramatic or a different definition.
As for bullying, well, I'm pretty sure Stanley can hold his own and has never, that I've seen, taken offence to the point of it causing mental harm. What actually happens is that Stanley and others become heated over a topic, idea, or point and passionately argue the finer points. If having your idea or beliefs mocked, questioned, or doubted offends you then it means your ideas and beliefs struggle to stand up to scrutiny. If people can't question an idea it leads to a rocky road where we all don't want to go down.
That's not bullying, it's common sense.
If you post something in a public forum then you are inviting discourse on that subject. If you don't like that then maybe a public forum isn't the place for you. | | |
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I invite someone to watch the ISS with their own eyes. They ignore the invitation, instead clinging to denial that it "doesn't exist". As anyone can see it, this really is the debating equivalent of fingers in ears and nah nah nah. hey ho
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| Quote ="whothefeckisalice"Ive been a silent viewer of these boards for many years. I was tickled into joining this particular forum as certain topics besides my beloved Leigh Centurions Thread tickled my fancy. I was obviously drawn to the Nuclear thread where I have a strong family interest within that field, but as I read through most of the off topic threads Its damn right clear as snow that theres a massive sway of anti Stanley screeches. The stick hes swallowed is absolutely diabolical. Theres an outright type of racism or bullying being portrayed throughout these threads with mainly one perpetrator pulling the strings just for having a varied outlook on life.
Oh by the way them photos look disputable. Im not laughing at you Stan Im laughing at the childish wiffle waffle. HeHe'"
Anti-Stanley? That is a bit ridiculous. I am anti the idiotic nonsense he either believes or trolls, but obviously respond to the points that he chooses to make. If he's not trolling, he's deluded, and if so it does him no favours to pretend he isn't delusional. It's not a "varied outlook on life", it's just fruitbat drivel. But that blunt message apart, I address the issues, in quite a bit of detail, and not Stanley, whom I wouldn't know from Adam.
Yes, Stan does try to bully people, but that's his way, and his rudeness and bluster is an irrelevance really, he only does it to get out of responding to things he can't answer.
That said, I started this thread, dealing with the technology of flight tracking. It was Stanley who jumped in with his theories, not the other way around. I've just responded to them. Wasn't my idea to get into his stuff, but I don't have any obligation to let it pass unchallenged.
As for "racism" ... WTF? 
PS - snow's not clear. It's pretty opaque. But it is made of ice, which is clear. I blame NASA for this hoax. | | |
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| Quote ="Ferocious Aardvark"[iAnti-Stanley? That is a bit ridiculous. =#FF0000I am anti the idiotic nonsense he either believes or trolls, but obviously respond to the points that he chooses to make. =#FF0040If he's not trolling, he's deluded=#BF0000, and if so it does him no favours to pretend he isn't delusional. It's not a "varied outlook on life", =#FF0000it's just fruitbat drivel. But that blunt message apart, I address the issues, in quite a bit of detail, and not Stanley, whom I wouldn't know from Adam.[/i.'"
Firstly with the above abuse, you've just proven to everyone what a great example to the term immaturity.
Quote ="Ferocious Aardvark"=#FF0000[iYes, Stan does try to bully people,[/i but that's his way, =#FF0000[iand his rudeness and bluster is an irrelevance really,[/i he only does it to get out of responding to things he can't answer. .'"
Again more personal insult.and twisted angst. Bully hahaha i've never bullied anyone in my life, the above posts illustrate you're the aggressor. As for trolling i certainly expose the lies is that trolling. No..
Quote Ferocious Aardvark Wrote That said, I started this thread, dealing with the technology of flight tracking. =#BF0000It was Stanley who jumped in with his theories, not the other way around. I've just responded to them. Wasn't my idea to get into his stuff, but I don't have any obligation to let it pass unchallenged.'"
I challenged and proved to you about Flight tracking data, then you got on your high horse about Satellites which again i proved are hoaxed, then you bring up Tim Peake, then you added fake google composites to the thread, The Butcher apologetically derailed the thread not me, so it's you who's getting muddled up with your tongue twisted copy and paste not me, i'm just pointing out your flawed reasoning.
Quote Ferocious Aardvark Wrote As for "racism" ... WTF?
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Reading the hatred vitriol above and also other threads you've proven and continued a discriminative dialogue throughout our exchanges. I'm the one who's risen to just laugh off your childish sticks and stones. So there you go, your hole just keeps getting bigger with the tirades of vitriol abuse proving how weak your argument really is. | | |
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| Quote ="TheButcher"=#FF0040[iI'm not sure what your definition of racism is, [/ibut having never met Stanley and never discussed race, mention race, or say anything remotely connected to it at any point (Both him and me) or seen anyone else do so no matter how much they've argued. I'm struggling to think that you have a flair for the dramatic or a different definition..'"
[iIcan't speak for (WTFIA) but i believe discrimination is the right analogy. Search the threads its pure vitriol angst. At first i foolishly lowered myself to his/her level, however now i just expose his/her reasoning and vitriolic immaturity.[/i
Quote TheButcher Wrote =#FF0000As for bullying, well, I'm pretty sure Stanley can hold his own and has never, that I've seen, taken offence to the point of it causing mental harm. What actually happens is that Stanley and others become heated over a topic, idea, or point and passionately argue the finer points. If having your idea or beliefs mocked, questioned, or doubted offends you then it means your ideas and beliefs struggle to stand up to scrutiny. If people can't question an idea it leads to a rocky road where we all don't want to go down. That's not bullying, it's common sense.'"
The latter part of the Paris thread proved his ignorance and discriminative attitude but i let by gones be by gones i don't bare grudges. I forgive his/her flawed traits. | | |
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| Quote ="Ferocious Aardvark"I invite someone to watch the ISS with their own eyes. They ignore the invitation, instead clinging to denial that it "doesn't exist". As anyone can see it, this really is the debating equivalent of fingers in ears and nah nah nah. hey ho'"
I don't need to watch i've already observed the fraud. I think it is a total hoax. Russia, Canada, China, and Japan are all in on it together. The videos of the astronauts brainwashing the youth sickens me. Our Government run media conforming to this sickens me. It's just like back with the fake moon landings. The videos are nothing but pure entertainment propaganda and distraction. They are made to reinforce the deception and make everyone believe we are advancing in space.
Some questions I have: Regarding the ISS
[ikeep in mind during ISS videos and space walks the earth is moving around the sun at 18 miles per second and spinning on its own at 1,000 mph, and the ISS at 17,000 mph but everything looks completely still.[/i
=#FF0000Simples they both aren't moving[i
[iwhy not MANY camera's on live feed rather than just one. With 360° Trajectory to prove their location.[/i[/i
=#BF0000Because many cameras would expose their lies, the less they show the less they know.
[iwhy we never see Star Constellations, Moon, Sun, Mars, Venus and the 3500 orbiting Satellites Etc... in the screen shots.[/i
=#FF0000Because if they show constellations they can be recorded to their true location exposing the scam.
[iWhy they never point their fisheye lenses at the Stars or Moon Always just earth and astronauts.[/i
=#FF0000To focus on the false curvature, mind control. They can't show Sun and Moon shots in a pool.
[iwhy is most of the view of earth obstructed by ISS[/i
=#FF0000Again fixating the mind control with CGI.
[iwhy is earth usually water, no land mass on all shots.[/i
=#FF0000Because its not a real image they'd have to get the land masses exact to realtime for cloud cover getting this wrong would expose the fraud.
[iI don't see the earth's tilted axis. Never[/i.
=#FF0000Because it ain't tilted.
[iWhy in most pictures and videos of Spacewalk's do we see the curve of the earth. Seems too convenient.[/i
=#FF0000Exactly again its all Green Screen mind control fixating on the curve
[iwhere are all the satellites in the pics and live feed[/i
=#BF0000Elusive. You tell me.
[iwhere are the 3600 pieces of space junk NASA says orbits the earth in these clips.and live feed.[/i
=#BF0000Again so evasive.
why in interviews with astronauts do they never point the camera out the window to show us earth.
=#800000Because its Green Screen pre recorded interview from a studio.
[iWhy don’t they ever take a weekend trip to the moon.[/i
=#BF0000Impossible reality.
[iWith no gravity to keep food down, how does it go and stay down[/i
=#FF0000Impossible.[i
What happens to sweat from exercising[/i
=#FF0000Very Smelly place
[iZERO privacy for six months. Serious mental risk.[/i
=#BF0000Exactly it'd be too hostile
[iNo shower for six months.[/i
=#FF0000Skin disorders no doubt.
[iHow is Oxygen regenerated.[/i
=#BF0000It Can't Simples
[iTheir videos are all ENTERTAINMENT based, not science based.[/i
=#800000Mind Control based.
Ten people drown EVERY day, yet no deaths in space. We are comfortable here on earth and there is a second chance for air if you’re under water. There are NO second chances in space. It is a totally foreign and very hostile environment. It's like they want us to think humans are indestructible.
[iHow come we don't see the earths spin from the ISS.[/i
=#FF0000Good Question
[iSpacewalks travelling 5 MPS in pure vacuum is laughable and impossible. [/i
=#BF0000True
I believe the outcome of a biological entity's exposure to the vacuum of space has only ever been communicated by accounts referenced and never demonstrated to the public. I always found this as a morbid curiosity that has gone unanswered.
[iAgain we saw BUBBLES in space and the morbid excuse was quickly endorsed.[/i
=#FF0040Green Screen shot in a pool.
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The big problem here is that if an unshakable religious conviction drives your ideology, in this case religious literalism with a flat earth, then absolutely nothing would convince you if it contradicts that view. Hard facts and evidence matter not because it's the view that fuels the rest of it. You can't possibly remain on the fence with anything you research or look into because you rely on an unshakable belief, and when I say belief I mean constructing your worldview around something with no evidence to start with. Actual evidence is easily ignored, constructed, or bent to fit your view rather than the evidence shaping the belief if your starting point is something without evidence to begin with.
If you were absolutely, genuinely going to go where the evidence leads then you need to start with the base belief that fuels the rest, in this case a religious interpretation of the earth and universe. If you can't be honest at the start, no matter how uncomfortable it makes you feel, then it becomes easier and easier to discount anything that challenges that view.
For me, the ramblings of a Bronze-age desert nomadic people are no longer valid passages on explaining the universe after all we've learned and discovered and actually know. Because of your natural bias to religion I feel it a pointless exercise to carry on contributing to threads that are clearly flying against your core belief.
I'm not going to shake your beliefs, Stanley. Only you can do that. Until you genuinely do that I can't contribute anything to your conversation.
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| Stan, as you ignore the obvious yet again, just one night, do look up and watch the ISS. Then you will KNOW it is there, because you can watch it. NASA doesn't know where you are, or when you will be looking, so can't fake it to fool you.
How do they breathe? Here - a cut'n'paste mugs guide just for you:
Quote Electrolysis of water (H2O) is the main method to generate oxygen aboard the ISS. Water is split into oxygen (O2) and hydrogen (H2). The oxygen is vented into the breathable cabin air system, known as the Oxygen Generation System, while the explosive hydrogen is vented externally.
The station’s football-field-sized solar arrays are the power source to electrolyse the water. Each day the OGS continuously provides between 2.3 and 9kg (5 to 20lbs) of oxygen. The OGS is a component of the ISS life support system, known as ECLSS or Environmental Control and Life Support System, located in the US Destiny module. The Elektron system aboard the Russian Zvezda service module performs the same vital electrolysis service for the ISS crew. The Electron system was also used aboard the Russian Mir Space Station.
Pressurised oxygen storage tanks replenished by visiting unmanned cargo ships provide a backup to the electrolysis method. Finally, the crew can also generate oxygen chemically by igniting Solid Fuel Oxygen Generation (SFOG) canisters comprised of lithium perchlorate. Each canister provides the oxygen needed to support one crew member for one day.'"
If you don't believe in electrolysis, it's facile to set up your own home experiment and prove it for yourself.
But, just watching the ISS pass over would be an important baby step for you. Once you can bring yourself to see with your own eyes, unadulterated, that there it is, then your climb out of you pit of religious delusion can begin.
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| Quote ="TheButcher"=#BF0000The big problem here is that if an unshakable religious conviction drives your ideologyin this case religious literalism with a flat earth,=#FF0000 then absolutely nothing would convince you if it contradicts that view '"
[iThis is not the case at all.You're simply trying to psycho analyse me which is pathetic. Yes i believe in a Creator and Geocentrism supports this fact but the fallacy and lack of authentic evidence of the spinning ball theory is what spurs my core belief. Nothing can shake your true heliocentric view which is a bit hypocritical coming from you. You explained to me that that you're a 100% evidence type of guy and 99% is not good enough for you to swallow. Well there's holes as big as craters if you could be d to scrutinize NASA but you dismiss the evidence on this. Again how hypocritical of you.[/i | | |
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| Quote ="Ferocious Aardvark"Stan, as you ignore the obvious yet again, just one night, do look up and watch the ISS. Then you will KNOW it is there, because you can watch it. NASA doesn't know where you are, or when you will be looking, so can't fake it to fool you.?'"
Copy, paste, repeat. If NASA said they landed on the Sun you'd swallow it...look up hologram technology. Its quite fascinating technology, great for hoaxing people like you. It's [url=http://vrdorado.com/article/2015-06-25-nasa-is-launching-microsofts-hologram-technology-to-the-space-stationNASA's Baby[/url this technology. Also checkout [url=http://www.news.com.au/technology/project-blue-beam-conspiracy-theory-suggests-nasa-has-secret-plans-to-create-new-world-order/news-story/25266f2c57e89e139f0fa9daddeb0953Project Bluebeam.[/url
And before the usual cranial insults are bellowed checkout this NASA scientists [url=http://www.conspiracyclub.co/hologram-designed-by-aliens/Testimony[/url His words not mine. | | |
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| Quote ="FLAT STANLEY"[iThis is not the case at all.You're simply trying to psycho analyse me which is pathetic. Yes i believe in a Creator and Geocentrism supports this fact but the fallacy and lack of authentic evidence of the spinning ball theory is what spurs my core belief. Nothing can shake your true heliocentric view which is a bit hypocritical coming from you. You explained to me that that you're a 100% evidence type of guy and 99% is not good enough for you to swallow. Well there's holes as big as craters if you could be d to scrutinize NASA but you dismiss the evidence on this. Again how hypocritical of you.[/i'"
I wasn't at all. I was going off what you posted earlier in the thread after you commented on what I said about religion.
I'm genuinely open to having my mind changed on a subject if it can be evidenced correctly and not full of holes. The things you are saying in these threads don't stand up to scrutiny. They simply don't. You also can't go around telling everyone to open their eyes and that the reality that everyone else knows is somehow wrong when it plainly works in a way that can be observed, tested, and relied upon. Big claims require big evidence. It's not up to everyone else to prove reality. It's already been done! We live in and with it. If you claim that the laws of physics are suspended just for us on a disc, it's up to you to prove it, not the rest of us to prove it's wrong. The burden of proof is with the claim.
The trouble is, Stan, is that you are so far down the rabbit hole it's almost impossible to climb back out. The Earth isn't flat. Nasa really does do stuff in space. Satellites are real. The world isn't run by some Satanic secret society. Stars are real. The sun really is far away. The ISS really is orbiting the planet. GPS is real. The Earth is old. We're all related. Evolution connects every living thing. We're apes. This isn't me blinded by some kind of indoctrination, it's reality. Proven. Tested. Relied upon.
It's not a big conspiracy.
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| Darwinsim (Evolution) is a Religion. These evolutionists are radicals no different than ISIS (Radical Islam) or Radical Christians.
Darwinists are ignorant. They simply will not let go of the idea that they have come from Rocks. They insist their ancestors are ape-like creatures. How Bizarre. Everything came from nothing.
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| I'm not sure how many fallacies you can fit in one post, but that's a good effort.
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Are you saying that the ISS is in fact a planet- wide hologram?
Really?
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| Quote ="Ferocious Aardvark"Are you saying that the ISS is in fact a planet- wide hologram?
Really?'"
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| Quote ="FLAT STANLEY"No i'm saying the real ISS is ground based in a perfectly designed studio,
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