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| So twice now they voted against a pay rise for NHS workers. Won’t give assurances that NHS staff get free parking. Failed to deliver adequate PPE and lockdown rules as quickly as they could’ve done.
Now this:
“MPs have voted against New Clause 17, with 340 votes to 251.
The New Clause intended to protect the NHS and publicly funded health and care services in other parts of the UK from any form of control from outside the UK.“
Essentially refusing to rule out the sale of the NHS.
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| You know certain posters will come back pointing out today's pay rises, but they'll also fail to mention they are out of existing budgets. The cynic in me says the pay rises are to soften the blow of voting against New Clause 17.
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| Quote ="Willzay"So twice now they voted against a pay rise for NHS workers. Won’t give assurances that NHS staff get free parking. Failed to deliver adequate PPE and lockdown rules as quickly as they could’ve done.
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“MPs have voted against New Clause 17, with 340 votes to 251.
The New Clause intended to protect the NHS and publicly funded health and care services in other parts of the UK from any form of control from outside the UK.“
Essentially refusing to rule out the sale of the NHS.'"
Get a grip - do you honestly think any right minded commercial enterprise would want to take on the NHS? If a specialist firm was set up only do stents - they could perform them as well as the NHS but cheaper would it be huge issue for the NHS to outsource this clinical work?
The one thing that was protected during the height of Covid was the NHS - they built these Nightingale wards that never got used which suggests the NHS coped pretty well. Have the government not just given the NHS works a well above inflation increase?
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| It’s not access to procedures the US wants initially but to have their drug companies to be able to charge their rates rather than the lower figures negotiated by the NHS bulk purchase. This is not to say that they will not at a later date look to add their way with regards private medical insurance.
The vote also questions why the government suggested that the document obtained by Labour was incorrect when this clearly opens the door to outside influence. This is obviously a pattern deny it and then vote to allow it like they also did with regards US food standards.
The headline I guess is “Boris Lied Shock”.
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| Quote ="Scarlet Pimpernell"It’s not access to procedures the US wants initially but to have their drug companies to be able to charge their rates rather than the lower figures negotiated by the NHS bulk purchase. This is not to say that they will not at a later date look to add their way with regards private medical insurance.
The vote also questions why the government suggested that the document obtained by Labour was incorrect when this clearly opens the door to outside influence. This is obviously a pattern deny it and then vote to allow it like they also did with regards US food standards.
The headline I guess is “Boris Lied Shock”.'"
Paying higher pharama costs isn't the same thing as selling off the NHS as Corbyn was shown when he had his ridiculous press conference the day after Neil mauled him.
The document showed nothing of the kind - private medical work is legal and is undertaken by a host of British companies - it takes the pressure off the NHS - no bad thing?
The headline is "don't make a mountain out of a mole hill"
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| At least he allowed Neil to interview him rather than dodging all attempts and finally hiding in a fridge. Why block a guarantee of no interference if as they said that no part of the NHS is for sale. I suppose you realise that drugs from America are more costly than those negotiated by the NHS therefore increasing the costs substantially. The next will be that we can no longer afford the NHS in its current form etc.
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| Quote ="Scarlet Pimpernell"At least he allowed Neil to interview him rather than dodging all attempts and finally hiding in a fridge. Why block a guarantee of no interference if as they said that no part of the NHS is for sale. I suppose you realise that drugs from America are more costly than those negotiated by the NHS therefore increasing the costs substantially. The next will be that we can no longer afford the NHS in its current form etc.'"
That worked out well didn't it ?
He all but handed the keys of No 10 to Boris after that utterly disastrous interview,Corbyn would have served the Labour cause better if he had hidden in a fridge!!
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| No it would have been better for the many excess deaths if they had shut the door on Johnson.
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| Quote ="Scarlet Pimpernell"No it would have been better for the many excess deaths if they had shut the door on Johnson.'"
Not sure i would condone deliberately suffocating anybody!!!
BLM - Boris Lives Matter.
Just accept the truth,the country preferred a man in a fridge to Corbyn and the Labour party,the fridge could have given a better interview than Corbyn!!
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| Quote ="Scarlet Pimpernell"No it would have been better for the many excess deaths if they had shut the door on Johnson.'"
And you, of course, have evidence that a SINGLE death can be attributed to Boris... no, of course you don't, you are typical of all the left wing stagers on here, full of hate and envy of ANYTHING remotely other than rampant socialism.
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| Who said suffocate just shut the door because clearly he does not possess the brains to work out how to extract himself without first checking with Cummins. I wonder how many families of the 64,000 who have died wished it was not Johnson’s government in charge.
I guess you should be glad Johnson has only one more PMQ’s to attend for him to be completely owned by Starmer, I particularly like his goldfish look when Starmer shows him to be lying again. Why does he also insist on looking around for help because most of the Conservatives appear to have their heads in their hands in embarrassment.
It is clear that Starmer does not possess the same insecurities and if Johnson follows his usual modus operandi he will ignore the final question and just go on a pre prepared rant blaming the unions for school closures.
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| Quote ="Scarlet Pimpernell"Who said suffocate just shut the door because clearly he does not possess the brains to work out how to extract himself without first checking with Cummins. I wonder how many families of the 64,000 who have died wished it was not Johnson’s government in charge.
I guess you should be glad Johnson has only one more PMQ’s to attend for him to be completely owned by Starmer, I particularly like his goldfish look when Starmer shows him to be lying again. Why does he also insist on looking around for help because most of the Conservatives appear to have their heads in their hands in embarrassment.
It is clear that Starmer does not possess the same insecurities and if Johnson follows his usual modus operandi he will ignore the final question and just go on a pre prepared rant blaming the unions for school closures.'"
Ignoring my question i see, well they do say "they seek him here, they seek him there", SinBin Pimpernell hides behind a keyboard spouting rhetoric and idealogy that has been discredited the world over and certainly since the 80's in the UK.
Starmer wants a known radical muslim terrorist threat back, wonder if he met the Jihadi or Hezbullah with Komrade Cringebin?
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| No unlike Cummins he just follows the law. I know it is difficult for Johnson to accept but Starmer does not make the laws but for the last ten years the Conservatives have so why did they not close this loophole.
To be honest I didn’t see your question but yes it can be blamed on Johnson’s government or can you explain how what he did helped keep the death rate down because all I hear is Johnson and slow to act increasing the number of deaths.
I admire your blind stupidity but you actually believe he has done no wrong and the reason we have one of the highest death rates is down to the failure of others if so please explain to we the unbelievers.
I now wait your vindication for what you believe.
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| Quote ="Scarlet Pimpernell"No unlike Cummins he just follows the law. I know it is difficult for Johnson to accept but Starmer does not make the laws but for the last ten years the Conservatives have so why did they not close this loophole.
To be honest I didn’t see your question but yes it can be blamed on Johnson’s government or can you explain how what he did helped keep the death rate down because all I hear is Johnson and slow to act increasing the number of deaths.
I admire your blind stupidity but you actually believe he has done no wrong and the reason we have one of the highest death rates is down to the failure of others if so please explain to we the unbelievers.
I now wait your vindication for what you believe.'"
When you can formulate a coherent sentence I will reply.
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| Bless, you have no answer, I knew there was a reason I should just ignore what you post.
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| Quote ="Scarlet Pimpernell"Bless, you have no answer, I knew there was a reason I should just ignore what you post.'"
So, you cannot formulate your left wing diatribe into a sentence, so you go the diversion route. I am so glad your generation lost consecutive elections after screwing the country up with illegal war and selling gold at a record low.
I hope U17 Starmer sinks , Komrade (with no hands lost, afterall, we are all washing our hands for 20 seconds now)
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| When I deal with anything posted by you I try to keep it as simple as possible, but no answer is still no answer. I would also think the comrade applies more to Johnson due to his close relationship to his Russian friends and tennis partners don’t you.
I bet you were surprised that the four reasons he gave for not publishing the report earlier were all lies, who would have thought that would be the case.
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| Quote ="Scarlet Pimpernell"Bless, you have no answer, I knew there was a reason I should just ignore what you post.'"
LMAO! You actually completely ignored his question right at the start
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| Quote ="IR80"And you, of course, have evidence that a SINGLE death can be attributed to Boris... no, of course you don't, you are typical of all the left wing stagers on here, full of hate and envy of ANYTHING remotely other than rampant socialism.'"
You mean this question, let’s start with the initial delay in going into lockdown to allow the Liverpool game and the racing to go ahead. It is now admitted that this caused many unnecessary deaths, then we have the wheeze of transferring patients without having a test from hospitals to care homes. This was confirmed to have increased the number of unnecessary deaths.
I could go on regarding testing, the track and trace app and face coverings.
I now wait your answer to my question or like IR80 can you not list what comrade Johnson did to reduce the number of unnecessary deaths.
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| Quote ="Scarlet Pimpernell"Who said suffocate just shut the door because clearly he does not possess the brains to work out how to extract himself without first checking with Cummins. I wonder how many families of the 64,000 who have died wished it was not Johnson’s government in charge.
I guess you should be glad Johnson has only one more PMQ’s to attend for him to be completely owned by Starmer, I particularly like his goldfish look when Starmer shows him to be lying again. Why does he also insist on looking around for help because most of the Conservatives appear to have their heads in their hands in embarrassment.
It is clear that Starmer does not possess the same insecurities and if Johnson follows his usual modus operandi he will ignore the final question and just go on a pre prepared rant blaming the unions for school closures.'"
You just did.
Seeing that "you know" he doesn't possess the brains to work out how to extract himself.
I wonder how many families wish Tony Blair hadn't lied to the house.
It doesn't matter how many times you think Starmer "owned him" - He's just the Leader of a very poor opposition party,such a poor party that the public elected a party led by a man in a fridge!
The Conservatives have their heads in their hands so nobody can see them laughing at the Opposition party.
Im sure Boris often ignores the final question as he doesn't see any point wasting his breath giving an answer to the leader of a party that couldn't even hold on to its "heartland seats" - Was it 87 years since Wakefield returned a Conservative MP ??
Get over yourself,all this bitterness will just eat you up!!!
Its actually quite funny,every time Boris or a Conservative farts,you come on here with Comrade Wilzay bitching and moaning,time to accept the truth,Labour are a failing party,with failed ideologies,dwindling support and are little more than an irritant to Boris.
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| You may use more words but I note that you still do not answer how the actions taken by Johnson to deal with the pandemic have reduced the number of excess deaths.
With regards PMQ’s Johnson is so incapable of thinking for himself that he still carried on with his pre prepared brief joke. The problem is that Starmer’s final question related to meeting those families of the NHS staff who had died and all Johnson could do was make a joke.
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If we want the latest pharma especially for cancer treatment they come from the US - these drugs cost billions to develop - so you either deny patients the potentially life-extending drugs or you pay the lowest price you can negotiate. Are you suggesting that we will deliberately buy off patent generic drugs at a higher price from the US - seriously?
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| Quote ="Scarlet Pimpernell"You may use more words but I note that you still do not answer how the actions taken by Johnson to deal with the pandemic have reduced the number of excess deaths.
With regards PMQ’s Johnson is so incapable of thinking for himself that he still carried on with his pre prepared brief joke. The problem is that Starmer’s final question related to meeting those families of the NHS staff who had died and all Johnson could do was make a joke.'"
I agree he hasn't come out of this pandemic with any credit but it is impossible to calculate the additional deaths if there has been any due to his actions.
Don't forget all patients discharged to care homes were done so on clinical grounds decisions that were made by trained doctors. This might have been due to pressure to protect the capability of the NHS?
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| Quote ="Scarlet Pimpernell"You mean this question, let’s start with the initial delay in going into lockdown to allow the Liverpool game and the racing to go ahead. It is now admitted that this caused many unnecessary deaths, then we have the wheeze of transferring patients without having a test from hospitals to care homes. This was confirmed to have increased the number of unnecessary deaths.
I could go on regarding testing, the track and trace app and face coverings.
I now wait your answer to my question or like IR80 can you not list what comrade Johnson did to reduce the number of unnecessary deaths.'"
He followed the advice at the time, he didntn't have the luxury of a crystal ball to show him the hindsight that you are pathetically trying to use to judge him. But that is how you roll, it comes from limited intelligence and a gigantic chip on your shoulder.
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