I hope he suffers a painful, prolonged and agonising last few weeks/days. A dreadful human. www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-38576702

I hope he suffers a painful, prolonged and agonising last few weeks/days. A dreadful human. www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-38576702

I'd like to commend him for his honourable efforts in what was a difficult task as Sinn Fein's chief negotiator in the Northern Ireland peace process.

It seems Martins poor heart has upset the apple cart somewhat. Where now for NI?

Religion

The blight on the planet

Quote ="wire-quin"I hope he suffers a painful, prolonged and agonising last few weeks/days. A dreadful human. www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-38576702'" More admirable to fight for independence and then fight for peace rather than fight for oil or abstract principles like democracy and then walk away from the mess you have created !

Quote ="wire-quin"I hope he suffers a painful, prolonged and agonising last few weeks/days. A dreadful human. www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-38576702'" More admirable to fight for independence and then fight for peace rather than fight for oil or abstract principles like democracy and then walk away from the mess you have created !

Quote More admirable to fight for independence and then fight for peace rather than fight for oil or abstract principles like democracy and then walk away from the mess you have created !'" What the hell you going on about? www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/ ... ss-6063689 easy to say afterwards www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/ ... b-10850795 more cowardice news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/date ... 496009.stm and it continues

Quote More admirable to fight for independence and then fight for peace rather than fight for oil or abstract principles like democracy and then walk away from the mess you have created !'" What the hell you going on about? www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/ ... ss-6063689 easy to say afterwards www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/ ... b-10850795 more cowardice news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/date ... 496009.stm and it continues

Quote ="wire-quin"What the hell you going on about? www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/ ... ss-6063689 easy to say afterwards www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/ ... b-10850795 more cowardice news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/date ... 496009.stm and it continues'" Yup war is a nasty business. People die, Is only bad when English people in England die. If Iraqis or Syrians or Libyans that die is that alright. McGuiness was a soldier who now campaigns for peace. Which is what your first link illustrates.

Quote ="wire-quin"What the hell you going on about? www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/ ... ss-6063689 easy to say afterwards www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/ ... b-10850795 more cowardice news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/date ... 496009.stm and it continues'" Yup war is a nasty business. People die, Is only bad when English people in England die. If Iraqis or Syrians or Libyans that die is that alright. McGuiness was a soldier who now campaigns for peace. Which is what your first link illustrates.

That's an insult to professional soldiers around the world. He has never been a soldier. A thug with a gun and beret isn't a soldier.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2012/apr ... ial-crimes www.independent.co.uk/news/fresh ... 41937.html listverse.com/2014/02/04/10-evil ... sh-empire/ Here are a few more examples of insults to professional soldiers. Thugs with uniforms and a British flag. Bloody Sunday. And many more.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2012/apr ... ial-crimes www.independent.co.uk/news/fresh ... 41937.html listverse.com/2014/02/04/10-evil ... sh-empire/ Here are a few more examples of insults to professional soldiers. Thugs with uniforms and a British flag. Bloody Sunday. And many more.

Oh look, Durham Giant crying a river for us all again.



As for McGuinness - a slow, lingering, agonising death is the best thing for that man. He was the engine room behind the IRA during their most active years and while the headlines were bad enough, some of the unpublicised acts he was involved in go far beyond the cause of a 'freedom fighter' and into the realms of pure evil.

I don't recall ever seeing him in a uniform

You wouldn't do because he was sat back paying off losers to go and drop bombs in bins on busy high streets on Sat afternoons and blowing up mums, dads and kids having family days out, all in the name of peace.

At least some of the terrorist groups in the middle east/African countries at times have the balls to fight armies head on, rather than cowering in some pub watching their work unfold on the TV.

I'm just thankful drones weren't around in the dark days of the IRA. Their kill count would have been much higher. Still wouldn't be a patch on the biggest terrorist group around (U.K., French and American governments) who have confirmed kills of close to 2million innocent people since 2001 (operation north woods anyone?), but still would have been frightening given their lust for blood

Regards

King James

Does the recent M62 shooting of gudf@ckbadboy count in that number?

Do you think the IRA may have tied bricks and bin lids to the drones and dive bombed the soldiers like big seagulls. It would be something like a Mario game on Xbox. I wonder why ISIS haven't thought to use brick laden Drones to see the Russians off?

Maybe this could be Martins next job, taking over from Tony B as a ME peace advisor.

Mario was nintendo! Not Xbox! As for your last paragraph, that's a scary thought isn't it! Mind you, my nan could have done a better job than that war criminal and she's been dead for 20 years!

Regards

King James

It takes people to stop to bring peace about. McGuinness and Adams were the ones who brought that about, or at least few did as much as they did. He then shared power with the man most responsible for the troubles beginning in order to further that peace. And to give the evil old b@stard his due, from Paisley's own perspective he did the same thing too.

Indeed!



Who would ever have thought they would become such good buddies! Fair play to the pair of them for having a go. I hated Paisley with a vengeance at one time but was saddened to hear of his death when he passed. Strange! Time to move on and leave the hatred in the past.


PS The thread title should read "too" not "to".

Didn't a bunch of squaddies testify that he was shooting at them on 30/01/72? You wouldn't be accusing them of telling porkies would you?

I've often wondered how genuine it was. My sense is that from Paisley it actually was and he really did have the Damascene moment he described. With McGuinness? I don't know. I tend to believe so. He strikes me as someone with the discipline to fake it for the sake of the peace and expediency though. More specifically, a demonstration of fitness to govern for the Republic. Still no small thing. Perhaps even a greater thing.

Disengenuous uniform. The British Army were hardly likely to open fire on a team of contract cleaners. Misleading haircuts too.

NORAID drying up led to Martin's false epiphany. Long may he rot.

No outpouring of grief, applogies for the millions we killed over the years, remember the crusades, amassing a crowd in India and slaughtering them all, indifferent shooting at cars at checkpoints and squaddies still, to this day, celebrating a kill,mistreating prisoners, urinating on the dead... the list goes on. He is an evil , no doubt, but many have done worse.

Sound like a lot of " military" personnel globally to me. The British armed forces don't have clean hands.

Indeed, but that is, unfortunately, what the military are there to do. But it doesnt make any side right or wrong, most are following orders and, often, against better judgement. I couldn't be in the military, so I respect anyone who is. McG isnt well, but he has worked to change the relationship between the UK and Northern Ireland.. why is it Wales got a better deal...because they had coal and slate?

For McGuiness read Mandella, read Castro all the same - armed struggle to get a seat at the table and then change things their way