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| Does he really believe any of what he is saying? Does he really think enough people are stupid enough to believe him to hit the 35%?
He is absolutely blowing his only chance to make an impact by churning out baseless same old same old rhetoric.
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| Quote ="LeagueDweeb"Does he really believe any of what he is saying? Does he really think enough people are stupid enough to believe him to hit the 35%?
He is absolutely blowing his only chance to make an impact by churning out baseless same old same old rhetoric.'"
Has anyone ever told you that constantly repeating something doesn't necessarily make it come true?
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| Quote ="cod'ead"Has anyone ever told you that constantly repeating something doesn't necessarily make it come true?'"
Is that a fact?
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| Quote ="cod'ead"Has anyone ever told you that constantly repeating something doesn't necessarily make it come true?'"
Maybe someone needs to tell Ed. Together.
A truly dreadful speech. More holes than a piece of Emmenthal cheese. Reached it's most laughable when he suggested the International Brigade was a sign of Englishness.
Every shadow cabinet minister interviewed on daily politics coverage collapsing in a heap under the slightest scrutiny.
Just when the country is crying out for a high quality opposition, Labour serves up this ctock of
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| YouGov/Sun poll tonight – Labour lead up five to seven points: CON 31%, LAB 38%, LD 7%, UKIP 15%, GRN 5%
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| Quote ="LeagueDweeb"Maybe someone needs to tell Ed. Together.
A truly dreadful speech. More holes than a piece of Emmenthal cheese. Reached it's most laughable when he suggested the International Brigade was a sign of Englishness.
Every shadow cabinet minister interviewed on daily politics coverage collapsing in a heap under the slightest scrutiny.
Just when the country is crying out for a high quality opposition, Labour serves up this ctock of poop'"
I never thought it possible but you are now becoming a parody of an idiot
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| Quote ="geek"YouGov/Sun poll tonight – Labour lead up five to seven points: CON 31%, LAB 38%, LD 7%, UKIP 15%, GRN 5%'"
Ssssshhhhhhh
Soft lad upstairs will be asking you to verify these "facts"
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| Unfortunately Labour ended up with the wrong Miliband brother.
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| A proper conference speech as an alternative to the sterility of todays plastic politicians.
A lump in the throat myself, I will admit.
[urlhttps://uk.news.yahoo.com/war-veteran-upstages-miliband-nhs-speech-123850410.html#C9kEtp2[/url
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| yup, confirmation of what O.A.P stands for.
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| Quote ="Standee"yup, confirmation of what O.A.P stands for.'"
Perhaps you could expand a little?
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| Quote ="cod'ead"Perhaps you could expand a little?'"
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| Ed Miliband can give as many speeches as he wants but will always come across to the electorate at large as a wet lettuce with no credibility. If Labour have designs on power they should drop him asap. It's not too late. Opinion poll after opinion poll show that people don't have confidence in him.
He has had some success in London (a key General Election battleground) but has now destroyed that with his so called mansion tax proposal.
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| Quote ="Dally"Ed Miliband can give as many speeches as he wants but will always come across to the electorate at large as a wet lettuce with no credibility. If Labour have designs on power they should drop him asap. It's not too late. Opinion poll after opinion poll show that people don't have confidence in him.
He has had some success in London (a key General Election battleground) but has now destroyed that with his so called mansion tax proposal.'"
Any new leader preferences?
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| Quote ="WIZEB"Any new leader preferences?'"
There is a paucity of 'talent.' But, of the bad bunch Andy Burnham or bring back.....Gordon Brown.
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| People forget that this is a very strange election to fight, unlike previous elections, we knew the date of this one years ago.
It's not like getting a gut feeling of when the next election will be called and having party leaders stand on the rostrum and tell the faithful to "go back to your constituencies and prepare for government." (How did that go again Mr Steel?).
I believe this election will be won on the doorstep, Labour are mobilising troops already. They have seen the impact that had on UPRIK support and they know that's the only way to get to those who don't watch Newsnight or listen to Radio 4
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| I think a significant factor in the election will be how well the UK and France's economies are performing at the time of the election and how well they have performed since their last election. Its not often that there is such an obvious proxy available as to how the opposition's policies would have worked.
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| Quote ="cod'ead"People forget that this is a very strange election to fight, unlike previous elections, we knew the date of this one years ago.
It's not like getting a gut feeling of when the next election will be called and having party leaders stand on the rostrum and tell the faithful to "go back to your constituencies and prepare for government." (How did that go again Mr Steel?).
I believe this election will be won on the doorstep, Labour are mobilising troops already. They have seen the impact that had on UPRIK support and they know that's the only way to get to those who don't watch Newsnight or listen to Radio 4'"
Knowing the date makes it a damn sight easier. That's what makes Miliband's speech so much worse. Doorstepping has always been most effective in getting the core vote out.
No opposition has ever won a general election when it has had fewer councillors than the incumbent, and to have just a 5 point lead in conference week is nothing more than statistical margin of error.
Labour will lose hugely over the West Lothian question, it's pathetic efforts to explain it away will only fool it's absolute hard core. The Tories & UKIP will hammer them over it. Even the Lib Dems will stick the boot in.
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| Quote ="LeagueDweeb"Even the Lib Dems will stick the boot in.'"
The Lib Dems will be too busy working out how to fund the lost deposits in 2015.
In the same way that labour paid the price for bailing out the banks and overspending, people will remember the sellout of May 2010 and they'll be wiped out.
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| Quote ="Chris28"The Lib Dems will be too busy working out how to fund the lost deposits in 2015.
In the same way that labour paid the price for bailing out the banks and overspending, people will remember the sellout of May 2010 and they'll be wiped out.'"
Would be interesting to know what proportion of the Lib Dem vote was students & how badly it will actually hit them. Sure sign will be if Clegg switches seats away from Sheffield Hallam. Wonder how much of a role the NUS wil play on the campaign trail.
Having had a taste of power, they will flog their apparent achievements to death & say it's better to vote for them rather than switch back to a labour party that created the mess they are 'helping' to sort.
Lynton Crosby will be vital to the Tories selling themselves & I'll bet Cameron's speech writers are prepping something that will destroy Miliband on the back of his awful performance.
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| The Lib Dems will see their total vote slashed. But they are very resilient when it comes to retaining seats. Once they've won a seat they dont give it up easily. Any party that can retain a seat following the imprisonment of a cabinet minister in the depths of a double dip recession shouldn't be written off too easily.
Clegg will definitely be targeted. But he has a substantial majority and Labour came a poor 3rd. Perhaps the students will tactically vote Tory?
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| Quote ="LeagueDweeb"
Lynton Crosby will be vital to the Tories selling themselves & I'll bet Cameron's speech writers are prepping something that will destroy Miliband on the back of his awful performance.'"
They'll have their hands full taking on the idiot Farage and trying to hang on to their own core voters.
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| Quote ="Big Graeme"They'll have their hands full taking on the idiot Farage and trying to hang on to their own core voters.'"
They seem to be struggling to hang on to their own MPs at the moment:
[url=http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-29394697Mark Reckless defects to UKIP[/url
[url=http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/tory-minister-brooks-newmark-quits-4335398Brooks Newmark, Minister for [iCivil Society[/i (LOL) resigns[/url
Paisley pajamas FFS! WTF wears paisley pajamas?
Call me Dave's conference speech should be a real doosie
To forget a couple of parts of a speech may be careless but to lose two MPs and a minister in less than a month is unforgivable
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| Good speech or not, Miliband will be Prime Minister in seven and a bit months time. Nothing can stop Labour winning now, although the media will give it their best shot.
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| I think the outcome of next election will be determined by how well Miliband performs. Cameron will probably be as uninspiring as last time, nobody will be wanting to say that they agree with Nick. Farage will go into meltdown at some stage. Miliband is the unknown quantity in a general election campaign.
If he merely reinforces his current image Labour's lead will probably ebb away as it did under Kinnock. But he might surprise people and have a strong campaign, just as Major did in '92.
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