www.christian.org.uk/news/bbc-us ... ay-agenda/ ***Please can we avoid the usual mud-slinging?*** As John Piper rightly argues, the kangaroo court and subsequent murder of Jesus was the greatest act of evil to ever occur on this planet. What the BBC and their pink partners fail to grasp is that, to Christians, it is sheer blasphemy to compare this heinous crime to anything, not least the way gay people are treated in a liberal democracy. I know most of you will not agree with me, but after Leveson, Saville and now this, is it finally time to bin the BBC? If not, can it be morally justified for Christian license-payers to refuse to pay up?

www.christian.org.uk/news/bbc-us ... ay-agenda/ ***Please can we avoid the usual mud-slinging?*** As John Piper rightly argues, the kangaroo court and subsequent murder of Jesus was the greatest act of evil to ever occur on this planet. What the BBC and their pink partners fail to grasp is that, to Christians, it is sheer blasphemy to compare this heinous crime to anything, not least the way gay people are treated in a liberal democracy. I know most of you will not agree with me, but after Leveson, Saville and now this, is it finally time to bin the BBC? If not, can it be morally justified for Christian license-payers to refuse to pay up?

Thanks for starting with the mud slinging.

It illustrates – once more – how fundamentalists like you want to have their cake and eat it. You, Sir, are a hypocrite.

But let's make a couple of points, though.

1) If there hadn't been a "kangaroo court and subsequent murder of Jesus", then you wouldn't have met Jesus and he wouldn't have saved you. I know that it's trying that we have to put up with your idiocy and bigotry on a regular basis, but suggesting that that's a direct result of "the greatest act of evil to ever occur on this planet" is a tad harsh on yourself.

And since God created everything in the full and certain knowledge of what would happen, then he also created that "kangaroo court and subsequent murder of Jesus". Indeed, if Pilate had freed Jesus, it would have been against God's plan.

2) "to Christians, it is sheer blasphemy to compare this heinous crime to anything, not least the way gay people are treated in a liberal democracy."

This is both yet another illustration of your bigotry – not least because Christians per se would say no such thing.

And if you don't want to pay the licence fee – bin your television. It would allow you more time for prayer and [iBible[/i reading.

You lot can start moaning when the BBC start broadcasting a homo lecture on the radio every morning or a bunch of poofs & lezzas singing in praise of same-sex shagging every Sunday evening

You are right, I don't agree with you ... not about the greatest act of evil anyway.
I'm thinking of the various acts by Hitler, Pol Pot, Stalin etc etc .

Your use of the words "BBC and their pink partners" as a pejorative is noted.

But, finally, to the point ... what you fail to grasp is that your idea of blasphemy doesn't govern what others think.

I disagree, and let me tell you why. Whilst the atrocities committed by the above despots were no doubt evil, the victims of such crimes were not as perfect or as good as Jesus - the most perfect thing there is, was and ever will be. He joined us for a brief 33 years. He was hunted at birth and mocked in death. Why? Because the human race is a wicked, vengeful, self-righteous race of people.



It actually wasn’t meant as a pejorative. I was stressing the BBC’s love-in with gay rights campaigners.



I understand that that is the reality, but why should Christian license-fee payers pay for mockery of the most evil act ever committed?

The same reason non Christians pay the license fee even though Songs of Praise is on every Sunday evening, the difference being, we live and let live and don't complain, we use the "off" button instead.

Even within the 'logic' of your own belief system, these things happened because God ordained them. If the "human race is a wicked, vengeful, self-righteous", that's because God created it that way.

Your self-hatred is showing. You may well be able to find help for that.

Ah right, I wasn't aware that the worth of the person murdered made the crime more heinous.


Hmm, OK, and made in the same image as ....?

Of course it does.



We are made in the image of God.

You didn't see Vanessa Feltz dressed as Cher on Saturday night did you? That is what I thought the thread title was referring to. You can't poke out your Mind's Eye, unfortunately!

... and we are supposed to venerate this deity who is wicked, vengeful and self-righteous?
I'll pass on that, thanks.

Does that apply to mortals as well as deities?

Can I just check,
this is indignant anger about a report about something that may happen in the future?

Right, I'm in. Who's dishing out the pitchforks and can I bring a burning brand on the Outrage Bus?

*walks away shaking head*

So your a Christian? Yet you have a problem with the BBC supporting a group of people who get abused, both physically and mentally?

Wow! Its no wonder religion is on the downslide if it has people like you in its fold.

You won't need those things. Just a bible and the good lord on your righteous side.

Well we haven't heard the program yet and all that article says is this:

Mr Cohen will say that the words of Jesus on the cross, “My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?”, echo his own experience of rejection as a gay man.

So he quite clearly isn't comparing that crime to anything else. The crime isn't even mentioned. He is simply describing his rejection as a gay man as analogous to the rejection echoed in those words. Your problem with that is what exactly? That a gay man said it?

It really does take a complete nutter to suggest what you are doing and it also shows The Christian Institute is just as bad as the tabloid press at misrepresentation and sensationalism.



If you want to get on an organisations case it should be the The Christian Institute's because that deliberate misrepresentation does your views no favours. It is publishing rubbish like that which brings ridicule on the likes of yourself when you use is as evidence the BBC is being blasphemous just as Dally quoting the Daily Mail as a reference does on him!

You should have phrased your opening post a little differently then it wouldn't have opened you up to dispute and argument about what you said there.

What an utterly ludicrous proposition!

1. Jesus' dad sent him here to suffer precisely this pre-ordained fate. None of the players had a choice, the script was written by your god.

2. I could list a hundred far worse acts of evil within a minute, without even thinking about it.
The Holocaust?
The Great Chines famine? (45 MILLION est. dead)
The My Lai massacre?
Dunblane?
Gassing of the Kurds?
The Somme?
The 1099 siege of Jerusalem, where 70,000 inhabitants were all massacred in the name of Christ?


Er, basically was he not sentenced to death under the law of that particular land? Along with others?


Ludicrous. There is loads of stuff on the BBC that I don't agree with or am against. The answer is - don't watch it. Anyway the licence fee is for having TV receiving equipment. It is not pay per view, you'd have to pay even if you never switched your telly on.

Here's a rap song that [url=http://gawker.com/5988677/christian-teen-raps-evils-of-homosexuality-in-what-surely-must-be-the-soundtrack-to-hellour own, in-house fundamentalist would just lurve.[/url

Although I'd add – consider what her upbringing must have been like: abuseive, as Richard Dawkins would suggest.

Actually, I'm going to lock this.

I'm not going to lock it because I have any desire to censor.

I'm going to lock it because Kirkstaller is a coward who poses deliberately inflammatory, bigoted posts and then runs away when it suits him and when he doesn't like the responses. Not one of our other trolls does this in the same way.

Kirkstaller doesn't set the rules here, although (as the OP shows) he tries. So if he wants to debate – that's fine. But he doesn't set the rules of debate either.