Whilst i dont mind cats i am not that great on them. As someone who enjoys wildlife i hate the way cats kill huge numbers of birds and animals I can understand why you would want a farm cat to keep down pests but your average urban moggie is not that useful. They should all be fitted with bells and possibly those sonic things that alert their prey they are coming. When you hear a frog crying when being caried around by a cat for fun you know what merciless killers they are. www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree ... eth-morgan

Whilst i dont mind cats i am not that great on them. As someone who enjoys wildlife i hate the way cats kill huge numbers of birds and animals I can understand why you would want a farm cat to keep down pests but your average urban moggie is not that useful. They should all be fitted with bells and possibly those sonic things that alert their prey they are coming. When you hear a frog crying when being caried around by a cat for fun you know what merciless killers they are. www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree ... eth-morgan

Quote ="Durham Giant"Whilst i dont mind cats i am not that great on them. As someone who enjoys wildlife i hate the way cats kill huge numbers of birds and animals I can understand why you would want a farm cat to keep down pests but your average urban moggie is not that useful. They should all be fitted with bells and possibly those sonic things that alert their prey they are coming. When you hear a frog crying when being caried around by a cat for fun you know what merciless killers they are. www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree ... eth-morgan'" any cat without a collar and a bell should be shot on sight like they used to do with rats. Anyone who complains about this should also be shot on sight.

Quote ="Durham Giant"Whilst i dont mind cats i am not that great on them. As someone who enjoys wildlife i hate the way cats kill huge numbers of birds and animals I can understand why you would want a farm cat to keep down pests but your average urban moggie is not that useful. They should all be fitted with bells and possibly those sonic things that alert their prey they are coming. When you hear a frog crying when being caried around by a cat for fun you know what merciless killers they are. www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree ... eth-morgan'" any cat without a collar and a bell should be shot on sight like they used to do with rats. Anyone who complains about this should also be shot on sight.

I love cats, I have two rag doll cats but as they are indoor cats they don't cause any problems with killing wildlife. However I do agree outdoor cats should have to wear collars with bells as they are vicious little buggars, they often don't eat what they kill neither.

Should people be controlled? They destroy far more wildlife than cats.

I remember one of the cats in our neighbourhood catching a bird and torturing it, it didn't even want to eat it, it was just turned on by the kill, the sick feck.

Mind you that was nothing compared to what me and my mates did to the cat in revenge. At least it wasn't around to do those sick acts to any other animals after that.

Indeed.

Its Much easier to control cats and ther owners

You're not a cat owner then...

I've no problem with people owning cats as long as they keep them on there own property , Any that aren't should be shot.

Don't think cats will just roll over and accept that

No i'm not and never will be
Cats are ok in doors, out doors they become fair game for the dog to chase

My cat kills rats and leaves then in my garage, it also kills mice but he scoffs them, he never bothers with birds or frogs.

Anyone fancies hurting him will beg to be shot.

what he said...............something that annoys me more is dog owners that don't clean up their dogs s**t! anyone caught not cleaning it up from public places should be fair game for a swift kick in the knackers or taco!!

So in summation, Cats shouldn't attack other animals but if they are outside they are fair game to be attacked by dogs ... seems fair

Aren't dogs bound by law to be kept under control or leashed when out of their own environment. Cats should be treated the same as stray dogs imo .

I think you are taking my comments out of context. I was simply challenging the comments of one poster as it's hardly fair criticising cats but saying they become fair game for dogs.

Whilst I agree with you, and speaking as a person who has a coat with at least one pocket full of plastic bags, the day I see a cat owner walking the streets after their pet with a pocket full of plastic bags ready to pick up their poop is a day that will be worthy of note in my diary.

I think the situation was summed up pretty well by someone on the Sunday Brunch program today when speaking about toads and how they, and birds, have something of a conflict with cats in many gardens - cats have never been fully domesticated and still retain a strong hunting instinct even though most of them don't need it, dogs are very much pack animals and most dogs will easily accept the subversent role in the pack (and the ones who don't are the dangersous ones), hence they are happy for the pack leader (you) to do the hunting and food gathering - thats the way it works in our house anyway, for the dogs and the other humans in it.

Just to throw another spoon in the mixer, anyone who happliy lets their dog chase a cat with no qualms is not keeping the animal under control as per their legal requirements, and somewhere down the line will find themselves sitting in a vets surgery facing a big bill for some pretty wicked scratch marks down their doggy's face.

My cat has a tray in the house and a area of the garden for him to use, i can't do anymore than that, my neighbours throw stones/water to discourage him from visiting them.

I have no problem with them doing so, both are keen gardeners and don't want my cat but neither would harm him.

I have no issues with responsible dog owners. and cleaning up after them as improved.

And they say that athropomorphism isn't what it used to be.

Cats are hunters, hunting is an innate instinct that they have, they have no sense of what is cruel or not cruel, hence they cannot be termed "cruel" any more than a lion or a fox.

The responsibility for any hunting done by cats without bells lies with humans.

I was in our local pet shop at the end of last summer (what there was of it) and heard a guy moaning at the owner about the lack of birds that had visited his garden and blamed it on the local cats. The pet shop owner asked him how many caterpillars he'd seen during the summer and he answered "very few, it's been too wet". The owner said "well there's your answer, if it's too wet for insects to breed, there ain't going to be any food for the birds, so why should they visit your garden?"

I've absolutely nothing against people keeping cats, but like any pets they should be kept under control - If they are unable to do this then they should not moan if their pets are treated as the pests that they are.

Personally, I've always found that a plate of catfood laced with fish hooks is a handy way of seeing the little buggers off....

Yeah, who wants cats eating the catfood you've left in your garden for no reason.

Washed down with anti freeze.

Or my wife. She's seen many a cat out of our garden. These days they tend to scoot through and not hang around. Sensible of them.

I actually love cats. And dogs. All animals really. Except horses. Horses are evil.

Oh and in reference to earlier posts, there is actually a mad old woman round here who walks her cat on a leash. The poor downtrodden thing looks seriously p ssed off, and she lets it crap everywhere.

so, not only do we have religious fundamentalists, bigots, racists, homophobes and xenophobes, but also people who would be cruel and generally inhumane . What wonderful people some RLFans are.