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| [urlhttp://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-19842941[/url
Will this news give a boost to Obama's election chances?
At least it gave the Mail a good headline - "Now you can sling your hook"
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| how many millions has it cost us to get rid of this parasite?
it's taken far too long, successive governments should have "gone Russian" on him.
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| Quote ="Standee"how many millions has it cost us to get rid of this parasite?
it's taken far too long, successive governments should have "gone Russian" on him.'"
It has to be done correctly. Heaven help us if we behave like the Russians. We have entirely enough problems already with, say, police corruption.
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| Buh bye
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| Took a senior judge 10mins to rid us of this git.
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| Quote ="Standee"
it's taken far too long, successive governments should have "gone Russian" on him.'"
I've been saying that for years.
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| Clever how the Hamza issue is used to hide the fact that British Nationals accused of committing offences in this country are also being extradited rather than being tried in this country.
It sets a very dangerous legal precedent.
Imagine saying on an internet forum i wish someone would shoot George Bush and then being extradited to America charged with conspiracy to a murder.
It is a very dangerous precedent and one that will trap many other unfortunate britons from people who break US copyright law or abide by English law but unfortunately fall foul of American.
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| I thought they were accused of setting up extremist websites on US servers?
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| I don't care where they go, or what happens to them, just as long as they GO.
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| Make sure it's a single and not a return, enough money wasted.
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| Quote ="Him"I thought they were accused of setting up extremist websites on US servers?'"
The first UK judge who examined the case said it was a "difficult and troubling case" because the alleged crimes all took place on websites allegedly run in London, not the US.
But the US says the websites were technically hosted by a company based in the US state of Connecticut, giving them jurisdiction.
There would be more than enough evidence to charge them and try them here.
They are British citizens and should not be sent to a foreign country for alleged crimes committed in this country.
There is a world of difference from extraditing foreign citizens who live here and extraditing British Citizens.
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I've been Overseas for years and don't really know who this Hamza is, so I looked up the story.
www.itn.co.uk/UK/57542/abu-hamza ... -to-the-us
Out of interest. Why aren't people who hold signs saying "Muslims RISE UP" done for inciting hatred? What is meant by rise up?
Or this in Sydney recently. The pic of a mum taking a photo of her child. And then when found and questioned by the old bill a few days later, claimed she didn't realise what the sign meant.
i.imgur.com/zWQjZ.jpg
I'm laid back about people having religious beliefs, but get uncomfortable when seeing things like this.
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I've been Overseas for years and don't really know who this Hamza is, so I looked up the story.
www.itn.co.uk/UK/57542/abu-hamza ... -to-the-us
Out of interest. Why aren't people who hold signs saying "Muslims RISE UP" done for inciting hatred? What is meant by rise up?
Or this in Sydney recently. The pic of a mum taking a photo of her child. And then when found and questioned by the old bill a few days later, claimed she didn't realise what the sign meant.
i.imgur.com/zWQjZ.jpg
I'm laid back about people having religious beliefs, but get uncomfortable when seeing things like this.
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| Quote ="Boiled-Yed"Make sure it's a single and not a return, enough money wasted.'"
Already in the US and in jail in New York, in court presumably on Monday.
[urlhttp://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-19855380[/url
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| Quote ="Ferocious Aardvark"Already in the US and in jail in New York, in court presumably on Monday.
[urlhttp://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-19855380[/url'"
One news report indicated it could be at least a year, possibly as long as three before any convictions. I don't suppose they will be worried about reductions for time spent on remand as 3 from 999 years is still a long stretch
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| Whilst I wholeheartedly believe we should be a safe haven for those who are being genuinely persecuted in their homeland and offer them refugee status or British citizenship, I do feel that we should have something in place whereby their citizenship/refugee status could be revoked by a judge should they abuse our goodwill and commit a serious crime in order to hasten their exit from the country after they have served their time. As for the right to a family life, we aren't stopping their family from leaving the country to join them if they so wish.
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| Citizenship can be revoked by countries, you see it around form time to time. So why, if these people were so suspect, was it not applied in the UK?
[i"Like the rest of the public I'm sick to the back teeth of people who come here, threaten our country, who stay at vast expense to the taxpayer and we can't get rid of them."[/i
Interesting to see a world leader saying what a member of something like the BNP would say.
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| Quote ="Durham Giant"The first UK judge who examined the case said it was a "difficult and troubling case" because the alleged crimes all took place on websites allegedly run in London, not the US.'"
And yet he and many successive legal authorities still chose to approve extradition. Over many years and through numerous appeals processes. Maybe you aren't in possession of all the facts?
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| Quote ="Durham Giant"The first UK judge who examined the case said it was a "difficult and troubling case" because the alleged crimes all took place on websites allegedly run in London, not the US.
But the US says the websites were technically hosted by a company based in the US state of Connecticut, giving them jurisdiction.
There would be more than enough evidence to charge them and try them here.
They are British citizens and should not be sent to a foreign country for alleged crimes committed in this country.
There is a world of difference from extraditing foreign citizens who live here and extraditing British Citizens.'"
But isn't that similar to say money laundering? I could sit at home in the UK and with the use of the Internet launder money through US or any other nations institutions. I would say that my crime would then be under that nations jurisdiction not the UK's. IIRC there have been a few Brits extradited to Italy recently for something similar, yet there has been no such fuss made over their extradition to a foreign country.
I would also disagree that there is a "world of difference" between our responsibility toward a British citizen or any other nations citizen. If a foreign citizen is on British soil then I would suggest they should be protected under the same laws as British citizens.
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Quote ="Rooster Booster"I've been Overseas for years and don't really know who this Hamza is, so I looked up the story.
www.itn.co.uk/UK/57542/abu-hamza ... -to-the-us
Out of interest. Why aren't people who hold signs saying "Muslims RISE UP" done for inciting hatred? What is meant by rise up?
Or this in Sydney recently. The pic of a mum taking a photo of her child. And then when found and questioned by the old bill a few days later, claimed she didn't realise what the sign meant.
i.imgur.com/zWQjZ.jpg
I'm laid back about people having religious beliefs, but get uncomfortable when seeing things like this.'"
I suppose what she really means is don't behead all those who haven't insulted the prophet. The tricky part for us who have no wish to be beheaded, or to behead anyone is knowing just exactly which prophet not to insult.
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Quote ="Rooster Booster"I've been Overseas for years and don't really know who this Hamza is, so I looked up the story.
www.itn.co.uk/UK/57542/abu-hamza ... -to-the-us
Out of interest. Why aren't people who hold signs saying "Muslims RISE UP" done for inciting hatred? What is meant by rise up?
Or this in Sydney recently. The pic of a mum taking a photo of her child. And then when found and questioned by the old bill a few days later, claimed she didn't realise what the sign meant.
i.imgur.com/zWQjZ.jpg
I'm laid back about people having religious beliefs, but get uncomfortable when seeing things like this.'"
I suppose what she really means is don't behead all those who haven't insulted the prophet. The tricky part for us who have no wish to be beheaded, or to behead anyone is knowing just exactly which prophet not to insult.
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| Quote ="Kosh"And yet he and many successive legal authorities still chose to approve extradition. Over many years and through numerous appeals processes. Maybe you aren't in possession of all the facts?'"
As i understand it is based on the extradition treaty put in place with the US which means they do not have to provide the evidence but purely say they have committed an offence and they want that person.
I cannot research the details at the minute but it is very similar to that bloke who legally sold batteries etc with the agreement of the British Government to IRAN and then was extradited to the US because it broke their laws.
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| I thought he was pretty harmless really
I'll get me coat
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| Quote ="Starbug"I thought he was pretty harmless really
I'll get me coat'"
Sling your hook!
TAXI!!!
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| The Yanks have no sense of fair play, apparently they've confiscated his hook. Cads.
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| Give him his hooks back but he then has to wipe his own !
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