Following on from the Neil Armstrong thread, who would you class as your heroes ?

Just using the example of Neil Armstrong, most people would not hesitate to put him on a heroes list, a US Navy test pilot, a Korean War veteran, a Gemini 8 rocket pilot, and the man chosen as mission commander on the Apollo 11 moon landing - not forgetting the small matter of being the first to walk on the moons surface.

But had it not been for the moon landing, if they had just orbited the moon like Apollo 10 did, would any of us have heard of him or held him in such respect - and how many of us can name, without doing a internet search, the name of the Command Module pilot on the Apollo 11 mission, the one who didn't descend to the moons surface but who, if he didn't do his job properly would have lost the two who's names are household terms, and heroes.

More importantly who remembers Gus Grissom, Ed White, or Roger Chaffee ?

Would they be on your heroes list, they'd probably be on Neil Armstrongs list.

So who is on your heroes list and how do you pick them ?

Top of my list would be Dennis Skinner.

A miner's son who passed his scholarship to the grammar school and still went down the pit because that's where all his mates were. Anything else you need to know is [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dennis_SkinnerHERE[/url

If only we had more like him

Ernest Shackleton is one for my list

Berry Gordy - Founder of the greatest record label ever
Bernard Manning - The King of comedy
Clint Eastwood - Better actor using only his eyes than most modern Hollywood stars using their voices
Levi Stubbs - The best voice ever discovered by the music industry

Michael Collins Was in the command module I think. I am a complete space nerd though.

As for my heroes: I'd have Gagarin and Armstrong on the list. Gagarin must have had balls of steel to go into the unknown like that. I'd also have George Mallory in my list. Possibly the first man to summit Everest, but never returned to tell the tale. I remember when they found his body, quite well preserved on the mountain. The clothing and boots he had on for an undertaking as massive as that climb was quite shocking, just a few layers of wool and boots that people wouldn't put on for a hike in the Yorkshire Dales these days. It was an incredible feat to get as close as he did to the top (he was spotted near the summet from a lower camp). The romantic side of me thinks he made it all the way. I have done some Himalayan climbing and have nothing but respect and admiration for pioneers like Mallory, who did it all with poor gear and little knowledge of what they were heading into.

There are also a few personal ones that are not famous but have had a big effect on my life and I'm sure if I thought for longer I would think of a lot more famous heroes too.

chief sitting bull
crazy horse
red cloud
cochise
geronimo

David Jones and Joe Green - 'lest we forget'.......Dee Brown - for that book.......John Maclean.

Slightly OT
I have just finished reading "Bury my heart at Wounded Knee" and followed lt with "A terrible glory".

Those boys you have listed are all deserving of the Hero mantle.

If you're going to read a book you might as well make it that one.

Not sure about hero, but an inspiration was Terry Fox.

Armstrong and Aldrin will always be remembered - many have already forgotten Collins if they ever even heard of him. As it is, they were the chosen ones due to a rather opaque selection process - they weren't the crew most of the astronauts themselves would have bet on getting the first landing gig.

Gagarin is also a good call from the space race era.

Off the top of my head I can't actually think of anyone else I would count as a 'hero' - but TBH I probably wouldn't have thought of an astronaut had Armstrong not been in the news. In fact I suspect that if somebody had asked me who my heroes were two weeks ago I would have said nobody.

I also don't like the word 'hero', but here's some more definite inspirations:- Orwell, Steinbeck, Hemingway, important reading to me as I grew...Weller, from, This Is The Modern World to Cafe Bleu to Wildwood...Sassoon and Owen, for their descriptive reality of 'horror'...Brando, for Don Corleone, Fletcher Christian and Colonel Kurtz... Souness and Keane, leaders with 'don'tfookwithmeability'. Ali, for being 'the greatest'. Marvellous Marvin Hagler, for being an awesome pugilist. Women Against Pit Closures, for their strength and loyalty... (is that enough? There'll be more.

) Oh shoite, I nearly forgot, Mr Steve 'Knocker' Norton.

Seeing as I double posted, I might as well use the space.

Lennon, for realising, 'that phoney Beatlemania, had bitten the dust'...The Clash, and Strummer, for singing it.

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The problem with choosing 'hero's" in your youth is that the always let you down.

Ali, Elvis, Lennon, Rose/Slash, Eubank, Gascoigne, Blair all reached hero status in my eyes at one time or an other, turns out they were all tits.

Right now i'd say I have admiration for Mercury, Obama, Gallagher, Gervais, Dr Chris O'Brien, Dawkins, Fry.

Just off the top of my head.

I've just realised there's no women on my list, I don't know what that says about me.

He asked for heroes not heroines

That's a really interesting point: I wouldn't think of any of my own 'heroes' in that way either. Which is not to say that I cannot see people as being or having been heroic. So (keeping it away from war), the likes of Armstrong and Gagarin and Tereshkova would be heroic – it must have been bloody brave or foolhardly or a combination of both to get into their respective tin cans with a big bomb beneath them.

But while I'm not uninterested in astronomy and space exploration, they wouldn't make a personal list.

The phrase I've used semi-jokingly in recent years has been 'household gods'.

It's mostly people whose work I admire particularly, possibly feel (hope) is influential – and sometimes who I admire themselves: they're not always all of those things. Mostly cultural or historic figures. Perhaps oddly, I've never tended to really pout sporting figures into my personal pantheon, although there are more than a few. Similarly, there aren't really many pop/rock stars who feature. Many of these have, so to speak, been 'with me', for years.

So to give a flavour, and in absolutely no particular order except as I think of them: Thomas Mann, Günter Grass, Jane Austen, Terry Pratchett, Gabriel García Márquez, Raymond Chandler, Humphrey Bogart, Lauren Bacall, Robert Preston, Katherine Hepburn, Cary Grant, George Gershwin, Daniel Barenboim, Herbert von Karajan, Beethoven, Mozart, Bach, Richard Strauss, Johan Strauss II, Gilbert & Sullivan (particularly the former), Otto von Bismarck, Elizabeth David, Raymond Blanc, van Gogh, Jan van Eyck, Stephen Sondheim, Simone de Beauvoir, Elizabeth I, Albert Camus, Ella Fitzgerald, Friedrich Nietzsche, Karl Marx, Frederich der Grosse, Gore Vidal, Stewie Griffin ...

Exoneration, thank you.

This is going to soound corny, trite, I know, but what the hell...

One of my heroes is Chris.

You don't know him, but I knew him from 11 years of age, we were in the same class at school, we lived within a few streets of each other for most of our life, we married within a year of each other, like me he had two daughters and they were born a year apart from ours, we were mates and theres a group of 10 or so of us around here who call ourselves "Mates" in that way that males who have known each other all of their lives do.

Three years ago in Jan 09 we were in a pub on a Friday night and he complained of feeling dizzy (not even finished first pint so not that), we sat him down and he was ok after a while but confessed that it had happened before. On the Monday he went to his GP who refered him immediately to the LGI, by Tuesday he got the results of various tests and scans to find that he had two aggressive brain tumours one of which was deep in his brain and inoperable.

His prognosis was death within a dozen or so weeks and one of our "Mates" who is a Medical Consultant confirmed that that woul dbe his diagnosis too, he also explained to all of us (but not Chris who was taking his own advice from his consultant) what the end would be like, not very nice was the answer, loss of sight, loss of hearing, incapability, pretty dreadful way to go.

He was offered chemotherapy or no treatment, he asked his consultant what he would do, he said no treatment and enjoy your last couple of months rather than be very sick with chemo that probably wouldn't help much, so he chose the no treatment palative route and spent five or six weeks with his family going to places they enjoyed, we took him out in his wheelchair for a couple of absolute classic friday nights out and someone organised a VIP trip to Elland Rd for him hosted by Allan Clarke (a hero of Chris's).

His last two weeks were spent at Wheatfields Hospice in Leeds and he died at the end of March and because our lives were so closely mirrored I felt his passing very personally especially for his two daughters, but the way he handled his prognosis and those final few weeks was exemplorary, no blame, no pity, just an acceptance of fate and lets just enjoy this moment - that was heroic.

And it wouldn't be right if I also didn't mention the staff at Wheatfields who were heroes to all of us, love them all.

Neither corny nor trite Mc F.

Peoples strength in their darkest hours is humbling and equally inspiring.
Someone I'd been involved with, on and off, for the last few years, died December 2nd just gone.
I spent every day of her last 6 months with her, whilst terminally ill, (she had asked if I would, and I decided it was the right thing to do) and although not easy, I am richer for the experience.
Similarly to your pal, there was no moaning or carrying-on. Just an acceptance that fate had dealt her a dastardly blow, perhaps, well before it should have. Unfortunately, that's the way the cookie crumbles.

Like yourself, the staff at Hull's Dove House hospice (she spent a short period in there before dying at home) were absolutely A1 superb.

Jill was fairly 'heroic', to me, anyway.

Good call.

In the explorer category, it's between him and Tom Crean for me.

As well as the absolutely incredible epic journey with Shackleton, on a previous expedition Crean was one of the men who Scott told they wouldn't go to the South Pole and they headed back to base.
Crean saved both Evans and Lashley (who were done-in) by walking the last thirty-odd miles alone in thigh-deep snow to the base to get help.

An honorable mention to the group meeting under the tree in my avatar.

who are they WZ ? looks like a public hanging ?

it's not that nice Mr Gentle being hanged is it ?

All I can see is a red X

great list MB though somewhat on the heavy side with Nietzche and Marx maybe ? You're obviously a deep thinker and a philosophical soul so try some Shostakovich, Prokofiev & Hindemith et al to challenge and stretch your grey matter a tad more !
My dear old ma in law came into a room a couple of years ago and I was lestening to Shost no.7 (Leningrad) and she, being a lover of 'light' music ie Elaine Page, Michael Boulton & Sinatra etc (and good luck to her) yelled out ' what's that bloody rubbish ?' so I asked her what it sounded like and she replied 'it sounds like an army marching towards a battle' - indeed, it was the German army approaching Leningrad - just how clever was dear old Shost ? not a 'hero' of mine but a person that has my respect..