I don't disagree that it's a tough position - but I have some respect for attempts to bring both sides together; I think Corbyn has tried perhaps too hard to appeal to both sides of the argument - maybe naively assuming that trying to respect the referendum but in a softer way, would give both leavers and remainers some satisfaction. The problem of course - and this goes to my original point - is that most of the players have created a very binary argument and deliberately set both halves of the population against each other, for their own ends. Now we're in a position where no achievable version of Brexit will satisfy anyone.

Where we do agree is that there are elements of the PLP that have worked against Corbyn from the get go; and this is where I veer away from his nice guy approach - I would have purged the Blairite rump years ago, instead of trying to appease and win them over.

Good luck emigrating - you'd best get it sorted quick, before we lose our right to live and work in 27 EU countries; unless you're thinking of the good old US of A - in which case, you will be out of the frying pan into the fire. Personally, I'm waiting for Scotland to achieve independence and rejoin the EU - then I'll be heading North, never to return!

I still believe that Corbyn couldn.t quite stomach having to be on the same side as Cameron and Osborne during the referendum and I fully understand his feelings, I too would have been reticent but, had he campaigned hard, particularly among the younger 18-25 voters, the result could have been different and I'm struggling to forgive him on this.

Apart from that, I will be over the border and back into the EU before you.

Never liked haggis but, I could cope with the rest

See you there. We could have a RL Remainers ex-pats group.

It'll be like Stewart Lee's fantasy remain citadel, full of wizards and poets, and people who can understand data.

It'll have to have a t'committee.

Maybe we could finally help expand the game



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A state of Origin, Brexiteers v Remainers, I can’t believe it’s not been suggested before

Remainers will just keep on wanting to play another game until they win.

Why is it ok to keep having more general elections, but not ok to have another referendum?

This is the 3rd Brexit based general election we’ve had (2015, 2017, 2019) but we’ve only had 1 referendum which was voted on when what Brexit would look like was a complete unknown, what people were actually voting for in that referendum was as clear as mud.

Not if we have VAR. All the cheating by the Brexiteers will be out in the open.

On the contrary going off the current VAR decisions.

I'd love to see Rees Mogg on a rugby pitch


Boris, as we know, is happy to put a shoulder into defenceless kids playing tag, getting them used to life under Tory rule.

Trampling on those unable to defend themselves is a strong Tory trait so, it shouldn't be a surprise.

If Bercow was reffing, one side would always remain champions

Just think if Jeremy was playing - there wouldn't be any tackling

Because general elections are just about one topic as May found to her cost in 2017. Referendums are about one topic and should only be done once because where do you stop? It is only remainers that are calling for a second vote because they didn't like the result, I don't hear many leavers say they got it wrong please give us another go!!

Voters were told by the PM and the Chancellor that leaving would be on WTO terms - its disingenuous to suggest leave voters were either racist, thick etc.

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But you're right - apart from those four leading Brexiteers, no Leavers have suggested there should be a second referendum.

Are these leavers saying "we got it wrong" give us another vote - of course not which was my original point.

Remainers are suggesting another referendum because they didn't like the result end of. Guarantee one thing if the vote had gone the other way the remainers wouldn't be suggesting a re-run.

Again you inability to comprehend simple sentences is exposed - I am thinking you actually John Bercow i.e. a very angry little man

That's quite a stretch - given that you've never made even one original point in a long and illustrious series of Brexit related posts.

But - what all of those swivel-eyed Brexit obsessed disaster capitalists were referring to, is the fact that a) the result needed to be decisive to call the matter done and b) a confirmatory vote on any proposed deal was the sensible way to go.

It's pretty straightforward, given a reasonable level of comprehension of the English language.

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You've already forgotten that when Farage thought that "leave" would lose, he was already saying that "this wont be the end" etc, etc.
just as Sturgeon is doing north of the border

I dont think you can claim any moral high ground on this one.

It's quite amusing/ sad to read the posts on the Daily Mail website. They're frequently arguing about which form of brexit is brexit - and they appear to be convinced that 17.4m all voted for each variation. Madness.

I voted leave. I'm not ashamed to say it. I voted leave to throw a massive spanner in the works, and by the way it's going, I knew what I was voting for. The reality is, I didn't know what I was voting for. I just threw a spanner in the works. I'm also a million miles away from those pricks who post on the Daily Mail/Sun/Express comment boards. I'm one of the 17.4 million, but don't count me as one of the 17.4 million.

For me what doesn't appear to be being discussed about the EU is the future. Corbyn goes on about trade deal with the US and all our drugs cost more - thankfully he has ditched the US will privatise the NHS crap. Sadly he doesn't mention what the EU might be like in 10 years time - one thing is certain it isn't going devolve power it will want to grow its power base - this isn't a trading block its a Super state that is evolving its power base. Yes it may cost money in the short term but longer term it could be very expensive.

Let's not forget the USA is a 'super state' based upon a federation of smaller states - as is Australia.
Leaving on Johnsons deal has been independently costed at £70bn/ year. Now, if that had been printed on the side of his red bus do you really believe anyone would have voted to Leave? We have been lied to and cheated by a serial liar. Why should we expect things to improve?

We were also told that 800k jobs would go, our houses would lose value and we would need an emergency budget such was the calamitous nature of the decision. Perhaps if this hadn't been said the leave majority would have been greater.

Labour said they would back the result of the referendum so why would you vote for another group of serial liars?

Everyone knew leaving the EU would give short-term pain it is the price you pay for getting back control. You will voting Labour their house insulation policy is going to cost £250bn yes double what we put into the NHS - the initial £60bn will be borrowed and that is before they have bought everything back - Brexit will look chicken feed compared to what Labour intend to do - hope closing a few food banks and getting some of the rough sleepers of the streets is worth it

Interesting spin, again.

First of all, we're not out yet and the claims of 800k jobs may still be proven to be correct - we will have to wait and see.
However, NOBODY is predicting that we will be financially better off, post Brexit.

Labours version of Brexit includes a customs union and perhaps if this had been considered or negotiated within the deal, there may have been a little more support from the opposition benches and the DUP would certainly have been happier.

Spending pledges on both sides are already getting out of control and the election campaign hasn't even officially begun. the 60bn + 250bn are staggering figures though and that's before the usual domestic needs - NHS, Education, Housing, Police etc, etc.

Mind you, we are all well used for false pledges during political campaigns, not to mention vote leave breaking the law on spending during their campaign.

The modern style seems to be just say whatever is needed to win as there seems to be little consequence for fabricating policies or spending pledges.