I on't know how many nissan/Toyota/BMW etc we buy in the UK but perhaps there could be enough for manufacturers to maintain factories here to service the UK and other non EU countries. Despite our high cost base - major motor manufacturers choose to be here why is that - is not access to Europe because they could easily have opened factories in Europe.


London will always be a major financial centre - its business in the far east and the US will not be impacted to a huge degree. Your idea the London will effectively shrink to be a minor player behind Paris and Dusseldorf is as you so rightly put is utter nonesense.

Like all businesses, car manufacturers will site their manufacturing centres based on a number of criteria.
Location (in relation to their main markets), cost of plant, running costs, access to subsidies, gants, sweeteners (particularly interesting for Toyota who were guarenteed by Mrs May's government that "they would be no worse off after Brexit so that they would commit to the production of the new model), proximity to other centres etc, etc

Modern manufacture has companies pulling in components from all over the world and this has to be simple (friction less if you like) and if you were CEO of one of these major manufacturers, unless there was some huge benefit for siting outside the EU, when your major market was within, you would be looking at other EU countries (of course this is providing that they have the technical know how etc to manufacture said product.

"Bribes" aplenty are likely in the short term to prevent the "cliff edge" but, the longer term looks a little less clear.

JCB are not that great. Their tracked excavators are based on old Japanese (Sumitomo) designs and are not as durable as, say Cat, Komatsu or Hitachi. And most of the components, hydraulics, electronics, undercarriage are sourced abroad. The same goes tor their wheeled backactors. Pretty much all JCB do is the metal bashing and assembly. Can't speak for the other companies you cited, but I do know about earthmoving equipment.

Lots of manufacturers have seen costs go up for imported parts. Any problematic trade barriers will cause further cost rises. I can see a few moving to an EU member state since there will be more customers within the block than outside it and they'll want to avoid extra costs and delays from being in the UK.

Cost have gone up due to the value of the £ - it could well be it never recovers and that is the status quo.

Hopefully the dollar will weaken and that will impact prices far more the any movement in the Euro.

As we have discussed previously the EU sell us far more product than we sell them - trade barriers/tariffs will hurt them much more than they hurt us. If their goods become too expensive then customers will look for alternatives - simple supply/demand economics

I'm not so sure. We buy a lot from the EU because we want and need what they produce. The alternatives aren't as attractive. People will just end up paying more for them.

Hyundai or Chrysler over BMW or Audi?

Chlorine washed chicken over the healthier Euro variety?

If anything is wrong food wise in the USA the legal boys sue at the drop of a hat. I presume you may have used swimming baths in the UK. Majority use chlorine without any ill effects. Lots of non eu countries can supply us with goods either cheaper or the equivalent price. The French food and wine industry are starting to panic, they estimate if trade deal is not agreed it could cost them millions. Simply because we can buy good wines from Australia, California, Chile, Argentina. Our cheese industry is capable of producing top quality cheese. As for cars, Nissan seem to be good value, as per Hyundai and Toyota. As for food coming into the UK from the eu, remember the horse meat scam in so called mince meat.

But if the law is changed as it will be post Brexit then no legal boys will sue until harm occurs, probably much later. So is that alright then?



I do but I don’t drink the water or eat my fellow swimmers. Too much exposure to chlorine is harmful.



Evidence?



Always could. If people want French wine they’ll have to pay for it when the price goes up. Most of the cheaper end is from the new world anyway.



Undoubtedly but it won’t be the varieties we get from Europe. They’ll go up in price. So we’ll have to pay more if we want them.



If any of those are manufactured in the EU we’ll have to pay more for them anyway as they’ll be imported from an EU state. For instance Toyota manufacture many models in France, Czech Republic, Portugal and Poland. Hyundai’s made for Europe are made in Germany, Czech Republic and Turkey. It’ll be interesting to see what Nissan do if we’re outside the customs partnership. They have plants already in France and Spain as well as here. They won’t want to pay more to import parts into the UK to manufacture cars and then pay to export them into the EU unless the government somehow gives them a massive backhander (imagine the fallout if that happened).

From what I can see Brexit will mean that if we import it from the EU it’ll cost us more so people will see their choice in consumer goods restricted.

I would suggest there are very few products that we get from the EU that cannot be sourced elsewhere with the exception of food and wine. If you can afford expensive Bordeaux/Burgundy/Champagne then a small increase in tariff isn't going to stop you.

Evidence .
The times ,June 8th spokesman for the Bordeaux wine council Allen Sichel urges politicians to strike a deal to avoid tariffs. Britain is the second largest market for French wines
Cheese, I assume you know how cheese is produced,we have literally hundreds of top quality British cheese makers. Go online and view ,it’s very impressive indeed.
Chlorine, this has been used for years in the USA to kill salmonella in chicken. As of yet no major problems. Crops in this country are sprayed with various substances, some of which have raised safety concerns.
Cars. The market is saturated with different models of cars, the customer is spoiled for choice. Quite obviously Germany exports high volumes of cars to the UK. Can’t see Mercedes, bmw etc etc agreeing to high tariffs on cars.
If the dumbass politicians would step aside and let the leaders of major industry get involved. The situation would be resolved to the benefit of everybody.

Evidence .
The times ,June 8th spokesman for the Bordeaux wine council Allen Sichel urges politicians to strike a deal to avoid tariffs. Britain is the second largest market for French wines
Cheese, I assume you know how cheese is produced,we have literally hundreds of top quality British cheese makers. Go online and view ,it’s very impressive indeed.
Chlorine, this has been used for years in the USA to kill salmonella in chicken. As of yet no major problems. Crops in this country are sprayed with various substances, some of which have raised safety concerns.
Cars. The market is saturated with different models of cars, the customer is spoiled for choice. Quite obviously Germany exports high volumes of cars to the UK. Can’t see Mercedes, bmw etc etc agreeing to high tariffs on cars.
If the dumbass politicians would step aside and let the leaders of major industry get involved. The situation would be resolved to the benefit of everybody.

Car manufacturers have already said they want to protect the integrity of the single market.

If we want anything made in the EU it'll cost us more after Brexit.

Of course it will doesn't mean products from everywhere else will though - do we have to continue buying the same amount of product from Europe is it compulsary or can we swap out EU product for similar product from elsewhere?

Some countries produce the best products in different sectors or have companies which produce the best in different sectors. They are not always interchangeable.

It takes some ideological obsession to decide that the country's best interests are served by trying to import something from further away just because you have some bizarre phobia of the trading partnership we are in with our geographically nearest neighbours. For many products it just isn't possible, certainly not in a short period of time. And even if the base goods are cheaper the landed cost certainly it won't be cheaper until you get a trade arrangement with those other countries (which will take decades to achieve until when you are obliged to WTO rules) and if the higher transit costs don't offset the costs.

So could you explain why we can import goods from the Far East that are significantly cheaper than we can source in Europe e.g. Steel. All the products that we currently import from outside of the EU will be no more expensive than they are, currency fluctuations considered - would you agree?

It's what's got us into this mess.

Not entirely - there's also the small matter of self-interested disaster capitalists, creating the conditions in which *they* can thrive, whilst insulating themselves from the ill effects on ordinary people; the 99% of us who don't have the luxury of offshore investments, tax havens and non-dom status. Rees-Mogg, Farage, Banks, Mr May - these people are the tip of the iceberg.

I think you will find that under the British voting system your so called disaster capitalist has one vote, as does the unemployed person. Also the person on minimum wage has one vote. A large portion of the leave vote came from people who felt let down by the political system. They witnessed immigration into this country never seen before in modern time. Thus creating a vast army of cheap labour. Obviously wages for the unfortunates at the lower end of the labour market are suppressed ,ironically by the so called disaster capitalists. The fat cats of Britain certainly don’t want us to leave the eu that could potentially create a labour shortage. It may even force up wages above the minimum wage. Wonder which way mike Ashley voted, but I think we can guess. He seems to have done remarkably well out of our membership of the eu.

Get a grip - are you suggesting for one minute that the people I listed just turned up and voted Leave? Or were they by any chance front and centre in the Leave campaign, as well as conducting skulduggery in the background to whip up anti-EU sentiment - largely by convincing great swathes of already angry and disenfranchised people that all their troubles would evaporate if only it weren't for those bloody immigrants?

Simple question to you, our population due to us having no control of our borders to eu citizens is rapidly approaching the population of France. Obviously France is a far larger country than ours. Please give me a figure that you think will indicate that we are full up. Or do you think we can carry on with this madness.
I see more dirt poor Eastern European are in the process of joining. And why not, can’t blame them ,access to free health care and housing etc etc.

This is a circular argument - I've posted several times the evidence that EU migrants are net contributors to the UK economy; I don't fancy going around it all over again.

I would be interested to hear your view of the revelations about Leave EU and it's illegal activity and links to Cambridge Analytica, and the latest story about Arron Banks, Nigel Farage and the Russian ambassador; or the Private Eye expose on Jacob Rees-Mogg and his recently created Dublin based investment vehicle, specifically designed to insulate his wealthy investors (and him) from the effects of Brexit?

These people are shamelessly self-interested - you've been duped.

All fake news, next country to join eu is Albania. Negotiations well underway, average wage over in that bastion of democracy is approximately £1.60 per hour. You still haven’t answered my question, you obviously believe in free movement within the eu so what population figure do you think enough is enough.
Reference Arron banks, after wiping the floor with the House of Commons select comitee he is sorting out that Belgian popinjay.
The architects of this mass controlled immigration is Tony Blair and Peter mandleson. Both at the outset had virtually no money whatsoever. Mandelson had to borrow money in dubious circumstances to find a deposit for his fancy London Town house. Let’s not forget kinnock in all this, after gifting the tories an election labour should have won he jumped on the eu gravy train. Conveniently taking along his wife .

Thank you - end of discussion.

I’m still waiting for my answer.

I believe in FoM yes; but with a government that can actually be d to implement the powers it already has to exercise sensible limits - as I've said many times before. The details are nicely summarised [url=https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/richard-bird/immigration-blame-the-uk-_b_13120104.htmlhere.[/url

Your turn - and if you say 'fake news' - I'm blocking you.