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| Quote ="wrencat1873"Another 50 fines for Downing Street staff and they're not halfway through the investigation yet.
The Sue Gray report du out by the end of the month too. #Pray for Boris'"
Are you still going on about this. Move on its trivia. Not even making the news.
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| That’s the problem there are so many other investigations surrounding de Pfeffel and his government. We have Partygate, PPE contract investigation, Russian donations to the Conservatives, the involvement of de Pfeffel in awarding peerages against the advice of others and the Covid enquiry just to name a few.
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| Quote ="Scarlet Pimpernell"That’s the problem there are so many other investigations surrounding de Pfeffel and his government. We have Partygate, PPE contract investigation, Russian donations to the Conservatives, the involvement of de Pfeffel in awarding peerages against the advice of others and the Covid enquiry just to name a few.'"
In addition to;
A war on our doorstep
Cost of living crisis
Levelling up process ongoing
Energy bills increasing
Inflation rising
Debts from Covid to clear
NHS waiting list lengthening due to covid
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and you think the public care about Boris eating his birthday cake and having a pint. Just let your bitterness go. No one cares.
Polls this week show the Tories level pegging with the hypocrites useless gang. It would do Labour a favour him and her going and bring in someone who can resonate with the public
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| We will see in Wakefield what people think of de Pfeffel when he dares to call the by elections. I am amazed that there are still people who liked being lied to, their money being used to benefit the friends of the government, an Home Secretary plus several other members of the cabinet who would be unable to get employment in the local food banks which are currently booming.
I presume the loss of nearly 500 councillors is a sign of how de Pfeffel is admired within the voting population.
You keep excusing their actions because we all know you will disappear when the next controversy arrives probably in the next few days.
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| Quote ="Scarlet Pimpernell"We will see in Wakefield what people think of de Pfeffel when he dares to call the by elections. '"
And then we'll get to Tiverton & Honiton. If the Tories are losing in both the red wall and the blue wall then backbench Tories will really start to get twitchy.
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| Quote ="wire-quin"In addition to;
A war on our doorstep
Cost of living crisis
Levelling up process ongoing
Energy bills increasing
Inflation rising
Debts from Covid to clear
NHS waiting list lengthening due to covid
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and you think the public care about Boris eating his birthday cake and having a pint. Just let your bitterness go. No one cares.
Polls this week show the Tories level pegging with the hypocrites useless gang. It would do Labour a favour him and her going and bring in someone who can resonate with the public'"
Let’s accept that those are ‘the things that the British people really care about’, for the sake of argument and because it is a reasonable enough list.
Let’s also acknowledge that there is a case for pragmatic exceptionalism. That if somebody can achieve something valuable and important we should consider turning a blind eye to their flaws and failings.
My concern is that Boris Johnson is not an especially capable leader, in fact I believe he is worse than useless.
Therefore, the importance of those issues is either irrelevant to the argument against the country being led by a lying, dishonourable law breaker who has laughingly betrayed the public trust or emphasises the need for his replacement by somebody conscientious, with relevant skills and understanding, and who actually cares about something other than themselves.
That is just ‘my concern’ and opinion. However, the only ways I can see to counter it are to say:
1. That Boris Johnson is a capable and well-intentioned leader, or
2. The role of PM doesn’t really matter, so we might as well have somebody who annoys the libtards doing the photo opps for the giggles, or
3. <insert nihilistic trope of your choosing>
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| Quote ="The Ghost of '99"And then we'll get to Tiverton & Honiton. If the Tories are losing in both the red wall and the blue wall then backbench Tories will really start to get twitchy.'"
'Mid term' election after 10 or so years in power you would expect to see a dip in popularity. It's a cycle that exists.
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| Quote ="Mild Rover"Let’s accept that those are ‘the things that the British people really care about’, for the sake of argument and because it is a reasonable enough list.
Let’s also acknowledge that there is a case for pragmatic exceptionalism. That if somebody can achieve something valuable and important we should consider turning a blind eye to their flaws and failings.
My concern is that Boris Johnson is not an especially capable leader, in fact I believe he is worse than useless.
Therefore, the importance of those issues is either irrelevant to the argument against the country being led by a lying, dishonourable law breaker who has laughingly betrayed the public trust or emphasises the need for his replacement by somebody conscientious, with relevant skills and understanding, and who actually cares about something other than themselves.
That is just ‘my concern’ and opinion. However, the only ways I can see to counter it are to say:
1. That Boris Johnson is a capable and well-intentioned leader, or
2. The role of PM doesn’t really matter, so we might as well have somebody who annoys the libtards doing the photo opps for the giggles, or
3. <insert nihilistic trope of your choosing>'"
And that is a reasonable statement. What I would say to counter that is that there are many styles of leadership. Boris isn't great on detail, he likes bluster..... but maybe (I accept this is incendiary) he surrounds himself with good people.
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| Quote ="wire-quin"And that is a reasonable statement. What I would say to counter that is that there are many styles of leadership. Boris isn't great on detail, he likes bluster..... but maybe (I accept this is incendiary) he surrounds himself with good people.'"
That could work, and I accept he has managed to do it in other situations. For example, I understand that when he became editor of The Spectator, he quickly realised he wasn’t capable and got somebody who was to do the actual work of being editor while Johnson remained in place as a celebrity figurehead. Andrew Neil, when he became Chairman, didn’t see much value in that and got shot… but it worked for a bit.
Politics is different and Johnson seems to have taken a page out of The Dictator’s Handbook (a real and very interesting book. There’s a short video summary called The Rules for Rulers by CGP Grey that can be found online). He’s promoted mediocrities (I’m being kind in a few cases) and avoided adding talent to his Cabinet, to secure his position… and it has worked, because Tory MPs seem stumped by the question ‘who else is there?’ Where he’s brought in people of (admittedly uneven) talent from outside elected politics, such as Cummings and Stratton, it has pretty much ruined their reputations… if somebody is intelligent enough to do a good job they’re likely to be intelligent enough to see that being in Johnson’s orbit is like being stuck in a centrifuge containing a lot of manure.
Johnson has done a good job of securing his position, but that is his sole focus. His personal success is at the expense of the country’s because he doesn’t care about other people on any other terms than supporting his ambition. In some ways he is a pitiable figure, a person (Alex) who created a persona (Boris) as a shield against some of the unpleasantness of his early life, and was subsumed by it. When he goes, I might even have some sympathy. But his personal tragedy shouldn’t be allowed to become an ever greater national crisis.
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| Quote ="wire-quin"And that is a reasonable statement. What I would say to counter that is that there are many styles of leadership. Boris isn't great on detail, he likes bluster..... but maybe (I accept this is incendiary) he surrounds himself with good people.'"
Well, I finally agree with you, that Bojo is big on bluster (which is hot air) and poor on detail and you think this makes him a good leader ???
The best leaders are the opposite, great on detail and with vision.
As for surrounding himself with good people. Perhaps you could name a few ??
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| So the cover up for Lyin Boris continues a pace, what with the Met refusing to investigate most of his illegal parties, and the secret meetings with Sue Gray to sanitise her report
Then just on cue,
[urlhttps://news.sky.com/story/partygate-new-photos-appear-to-show-boris-johnson-toasting-colleague-at-downing-st-drinks-in-lockdown-12619868[/url
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| It's almost like someone on the inside is leaking this because they hate their boss so much isn't it.
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| Quote ="Superblue"So the cover up for Lyin Boris continues a pace, what with the Met refusing to investigate most of his illegal parties, and the secret meetings with Sue Gray to sanitise her report
Then just on cue,
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And yes Lyin Boris lied to Parliament about this one specifically
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A picture which formed part of the police investigation. Words from the Met Police
Now desperate people on here accusing the police of not being independent, whatever next.
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| Quote ="wire-quin"A picture which formed part of the police investigation. Words from the Met Police
Now desperate people on here accusing the police of not being independent, whatever next.'"
Then we have desperate people who forget that de Pfeffel said in Parliament that this didn’t even happen.
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| Quote ="wire-quin"It’s a one second moment in time'"
Do you mean, yet another moment at another party ??
WTF were all those bottles doing on the table in either a "workplace" or "The PM's home", during lockdown.
The boundaries of "work event" for the current PM seem to have been stretched beyond breaking point.
The compulsive liar, just continues to lie but, it's ok because "it's just how he is".
Meanwhile the rest of the country couldn't meet people anywhere other than our garden.
The Sue Gray "meeting" is just another example.
"There was no meeting"
"We didn't arrange it", it was Sur Gray's request
And when the truth finally comes out, No 10 denies that they were trying to influence anything.
None of the above had any truth in it, as it was No 10 that requested the meeting, with a view to having the report shelved.
Is this what we should expect from Government ??
Lies, lies, lies.
Meanwhile, the energy cap is set to rise to £2800 in October and the best that Sunak can do is to tell people that "he will look at everything"
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| The Met Police headed up by Khan have conducted a comprehensive half a million pound investigation. The fines have been released. Move on.
As for Sunak what would you expect him to say?? Soundbites like the dullard and ginge, tax the oil companies, that will solve the problem. Labours default position never changes.
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| Quote ="wire-quin"The Met Police headed up by Khan have conducted a comprehensive half a million pound investigation. The fines have been released. Move on.
As for Sunak what would you expect him to say?? Soundbites like the dullard and ginge, tax the oil companies, that will solve the problem. Labours default position never changes.'"
In fairness, the windfall tax, proposed by Labour and now being considered by the lying Tories, would make a difference in the short term.
The real issue here is that, as a nation, we have failed to secure our own energy supplies from within the UK and instead used overseas supplies of Gas, Electricity and Oil.
It's all great in the "good times" but, not quite so good in a crisis.
Even our UK electricity is largely run by overseas companies like EDF etc
Of the "big 6" UK suppliers 2 are German owned and one is French owned.
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| Quote ="wrencat1873"In fairness, the windfall tax, proposed by Labour and now being considered by the lying Tories, would make a difference in the short term.
The real issue here is that, as a nation, we have failed to secure our own energy supplies from within the UK and instead used overseas supplies of Gas, Electricity and Oil.
It's all great in the "good times" but, not quite so good in a crisis.
Even our UK electricity is largely run by overseas companies like EDF etc
Of the "big 6" UK suppliers 2 are German owned and one is French owned.'"
How will over taxing large companies encourage large companies to come to the Uk in the future??
Take a look at Ireland and the number of large tech and pharma companies over there.
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