Sticks and stones may break my bones, but words will never hurt me.
why is having your feelings hurt, worse than having a brick smashed on your head.? I would sooner have a few insults thrown at me, i can laugh those off, but a brick would certainly hurt me more. The world has gone soft. The punishment has been given, time to move on.

Some might say you fail to recognise the fundamentals of discriminatory behaviours, but hey, they're only words, so there's no need for a response.

Exactly

Yet you cannot move on because you keep coming back to it.
You know nothing about Savellios background. Maybe he was bullied and taunted for not being British or white enough when he was living in Warrington. Maybe he experienced that drip drip of racism every day. Maybe that is why words can be so damaging. How often did you get called whitey or white when you were growing up. Maybe that is why the idea of a few verbals mans little to you. Regardless of wether you like it racist attitudes are now less acceptable.

So go back to playing war games and pretending you are Monty. Oh and by the way stop buying into the Dunkirk was a victory it was a massive defeat.

Yes it was, but those who came through it, such as my dad, didn’t just sit there and cry about it, they recovered and were more determined than ever to put things right. That’s one of the reasons today, you can post on forums such as this. I don’t have to play war games, better men than I do that for me, you, and all the Woke leftists who cry if anyone says boo. You and everyone else should be grateful for those who went through the horror of Dunkirk, and the war.

So I guess your dad was one of those who voted Labour after the war for social change such as the NHS.

Funny how you think leftists cry if anyone says boo. Yet it was all those leftists fighting against Franco in Spain and the blackshirts on cable street whilst those you support now were busy supporting the fascists

Thread derailed.
I was threatened with a holiday for that.
Double standards mate.

Good point well made,
I apologise for that although not for challenging those apologists who are defending clubb

“woke" is defined as: "Originally: well-informed, up-to-date.”

Does that mean the right aren’t well informed?

I'm well informed.
It is best not to have a conscious bias or an unconscious bias.
Be a non-binary non-gender specific specimen who is able to be transracial.
Do not speak,even to friends or relations in case another person is offended.
If anyone is really naughty they don't get punished,anyway,because the bleeding hearts don't like the bad people being punished.
If I'm not well - informed it's because I wasn't taught correctly be the ever-changing guidelines made up by people being paid a fortune for continually changing the guidelines.
These are the over-privileged people who have attended universities and can't get proper jobs but just alter semantics to suit their prejudices,biased agenda.
We should all take lessons from the USA the experts on race relations.( I may not be serious here and I am in no way associated with Warrington )
Staying on thread - Maybe Clubb ain't completely in the wrong.
I am now off to study whether Polynesians are more of a persecuted minority than the white folk living in England.
I may be gone for some time.If a university or made up organisation with political motives,or one of those in the USA where one of the females acquires lots of mansions,I am available to take payment...

My sentiments exactly, well put

I would also agree and well said sir

Least we now know whose stuck in the 1950’s

Dont talk stupid,we have a different opinion that is all.Might not suit yours then tough you will have to live with it as other people live with yours.

Quote ="Willzay"Least we now know whose stuck in the 1950’s'" If you are referring to me,I'm sitting back while statues are being brought down because of a situation long before the 1950's. I am learning that history is being re-written,and I am learning that some female,leading light of the BLM political activists lot,has now acquired a number of mansions,while many of her fellow USA citizens have the audacity to try and dictate to me how I should think and act. I don't need to be told. The slavery situation went on a long time prior to the 1950's. With the deliberately divisive conduct of the current spokespeople, racial respect is many decades away. So much for universities,and education,education,education,Mr Blair. https://mobile.twitter.com/tophertownmu ... 9974553607 Staying on thread - I am sick of so-called adult behaviour.The opportunity for a so-called re-set has been lost. It gets worse as it goes on. Sport supposed to take me away from the harsh realities of life. Having Americans, and academics, dictate from their ivory towers does my plucker in. I would be grateful if rugby league players could conduct themselves a lot better.

Quote ="Willzay"Least we now know whose stuck in the 1950’s'" If you are referring to me,I'm sitting back while statues are being brought down because of a situation long before the 1950's. I am learning that history is being re-written,and I am learning that some female,leading light of the BLM political activists lot,has now acquired a number of mansions,while many of her fellow USA citizens have the audacity to try and dictate to me how I should think and act. I don't need to be told. The slavery situation went on a long time prior to the 1950's. With the deliberately divisive conduct of the current spokespeople, racial respect is many decades away. So much for universities,and education,education,education,Mr Blair. https://mobile.twitter.com/tophertownmu ... 9974553607 Staying on thread - I am sick of so-called adult behaviour.The opportunity for a so-called re-set has been lost. It gets worse as it goes on. Sport supposed to take me away from the harsh realities of life. Having Americans, and academics, dictate from their ivory towers does my plucker in. I would be grateful if rugby league players could conduct themselves a lot better.

So are you saying:

"Maybe Clubb ain't completely in the wrong"

or are you saying

"I would be grateful if rugby league players could conduct themselves a lot better"

as the two don't correlate - unless by that you believe Savelio shouldn't even have raised it as an issue ???

Interestingly enough, there was a late night discussion programme on BBC a few nights ago where a black British gentleman was lambasting a high up lady in the BLM organisation. He was suggesting that the movement was stoking the flames between black & white in America then acting as a type of ambulance chasing protest group.
All very strange.

What an ignorant point of view expressed above by OO.
Absolutely buying in to an imagined culture war promoted by right wing commentators and politicians to 1/ try to deflect from the racism that still exists today 2/ to deflect attention away from the policies they are pushing through that will have a massive effect on working class people specifically and society as a whole.let’s support Boris protecting statues and ignore everything else he is doing.

BLM started as a protest about black people being killed by white police TODAY not hundred of years ago . Have you seen the videos.

No one is re writing history . The history is the same as it always was it is just that people want a broader view of the history that is told. Not the nice comforting history that we have been told but the uncomfortable history.

Did you see the news yesterday about Ballymurphy where British paratroopers shot dead 10 innocent people 5 months before they killed another 14 in Derry. An unarmed priest holding a white flag giving the last rites to a young man who was dying.

Let’s not talk about that let’s concentrate on Dunkirk and WW2

Those that ignore their history are doomed to repeat it .

Not least when you look at the queens speech yesterday. Introducing legislation that reduces citizens ability to vote, legislation that stops people protesting, legislation that reduces the courts ability to challenge government, introducing legislation that changes how we hold mayoral elections which makes them less democratic. ( There is only one other country in Europe that does not have some PR for elections and that is Belarus). Bringing in ID cards by the back door.
Everyone of those was done by Hitler but let’s not look at what happened in Germany pre 1939 let’s look at the Dunkirk spirit , the Battle of Britain , Vera lynn and waving the Union Jack.



Legislation that will allow the government to make huge cuts to access to the NHS by setting up systems that ration and slow down the provision of services by increasing pathways. (Anyone with an orthopaedic problem will know what I mean with things like the MSK pathway)

These are things you are forgetting about.

In 10 years time when you cannot get a knee replacement (unless you pay privately to jump up a waiting list) will you be saying in 2021 I fought to save a slave owners statue so I don’t mind the fact the NHS was sold out to American third party insurers.

You decide what is more important for you.

Your nostalgic rose tinted view of the world and history or have democracy , an NHS and a society worth living in of which you are proud.

Wakefield Trinity supported Franco?

That's an entirely false equivalence. The incidents you speak of either weren't in this country or appalling as they were in (1972), in no way compare to the sacrifice made to secure European civilisation, not once but twice. The same people who fought those wars created the greatest movement for social progress in the world (the Labour movement) leading to the establishment of the NHS you speak of.

Durham Giant -what a load of rubbish,

I want democracy which means freedom of speech without being shouted down,cancelled and so-on by fools who would suppress that.

Name me one thing that a ethnic person cannot do that I can in this brilliant country we all live in.

Live equally without prejudice and bias - unless of course, you deny that exists.

Which in many ways is the whole point of the charge brought about by the onfield incident.

Quote ="M@islebugs"That's an entirely false equivalence. The incidents you speak of either weren't in this country or appalling as they were in (1972), in no way compare to the sacrifice made to secure European civilisation, not once but twice. The same people who fought those wars created the greatest movement for social progress in the world (the Labour movement) leading to the establishment of the NHS you speak of.'" https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-56950484 Police violence against black people is much higher than against whites people. Even though there was no evidence of a racist element to this the facts about discriminatory behaviour towards black peoples is significant https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-humber-56183429 There are hundreds more of these incidents Black people are over represented in huge numbers in all sorts af areas which indicate discrimination in this country. Just go and look for them As for your second point about equivalence I am not sure I understand it. I made the point that Boris and other right wingers like Laurence Fox are creating this debate in an attempt to distract ( and attract white racist supporters ) from their attempts to curb democracy and make damaging changes to the NHS which is what led to social change in the Uk after WW2.

Quote ="M@islebugs"That's an entirely false equivalence. The incidents you speak of either weren't in this country or appalling as they were in (1972), in no way compare to the sacrifice made to secure European civilisation, not once but twice. The same people who fought those wars created the greatest movement for social progress in the world (the Labour movement) leading to the establishment of the NHS you speak of.'" https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-56950484 Police violence against black people is much higher than against whites people. Even though there was no evidence of a racist element to this the facts about discriminatory behaviour towards black peoples is significant https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-humber-56183429 There are hundreds more of these incidents Black people are over represented in huge numbers in all sorts af areas which indicate discrimination in this country. Just go and look for them As for your second point about equivalence I am not sure I understand it. I made the point that Boris and other right wingers like Laurence Fox are creating this debate in an attempt to distract ( and attract white racist supporters ) from their attempts to curb democracy and make damaging changes to the NHS which is what led to social change in the Uk after WW2.

Quote ="Jason65"Durham Giant -what a load of rubbish, I want democracy which means freedom of speech without being shouted down,cancelled and so-on by fools who would suppress that. Name me one thing that a ethnic person cannot do that I can in this brilliant country we all live in.'" Maybe have equality of opportunity to be a RL players https://www.skysports.com/rugby-league/ ... and-set-up The average black person will experience more instances of N***** or black or off to where you belong than you have experiences of off whitey or get back to your own country but yet you know this. It is funny how many people now try to hide their racist attitudes by standing up for “free speech” or oppose “cancel culture” A bit like Tommy Robinson using Asian rape gangs to whip up racism whilst supporting the EDL in their pro rape and sexual abuse culture Just google Richard Price, former leader of the English Defence League. Convicted for possession of child pornography, and admitted making indecent images of children. Tommy Robinson began a "Free Richard Price" campaign in 2011. I have at least 20 more instances of EDL child abusers and rapists in the last few years. Paige Chivers killed in Blackpool. Big EDL campaign about this and Rape gangs in Blackpool. Lots of demonstrations turns out she was murdered by BNP member and EDL supporter Robert Ewing Meet Robert Ewing, a member of the English Defence League. Imprisoned in 1995 for gross indecency with a 13 year old. Convicted of murdering 15 year old Paige Chivers, and later for the sexual abuse of two children aged 6 and 9. @VirgilCaine1 Re: Ewing: Efforts were made to link Paige Chivers' disappearance to the Muslim community by right wing groups including members of the British National Party, the English Defence League, and related blogs. After Ewing's conviction, no comment was made by either organisation. I am not going to convince you Jason but to everyone else reading this. Don’t believe the hype that we are being fed about cancel culture etc it is being used as a smokescreen to undermine our fundamental rights as well as the NHS etc.

Quote ="Jason65"Durham Giant -what a load of rubbish, I want democracy which means freedom of speech without being shouted down,cancelled and so-on by fools who would suppress that. Name me one thing that a ethnic person cannot do that I can in this brilliant country we all live in.'" Maybe have equality of opportunity to be a RL players https://www.skysports.com/rugby-league/ ... and-set-up The average black person will experience more instances of N***** or black or off to where you belong than you have experiences of off whitey or get back to your own country but yet you know this. It is funny how many people now try to hide their racist attitudes by standing up for “free speech” or oppose “cancel culture” A bit like Tommy Robinson using Asian rape gangs to whip up racism whilst supporting the EDL in their pro rape and sexual abuse culture Just google Richard Price, former leader of the English Defence League. Convicted for possession of child pornography, and admitted making indecent images of children. Tommy Robinson began a "Free Richard Price" campaign in 2011. I have at least 20 more instances of EDL child abusers and rapists in the last few years. Paige Chivers killed in Blackpool. Big EDL campaign about this and Rape gangs in Blackpool. Lots of demonstrations turns out she was murdered by BNP member and EDL supporter Robert Ewing Meet Robert Ewing, a member of the English Defence League. Imprisoned in 1995 for gross indecency with a 13 year old. Convicted of murdering 15 year old Paige Chivers, and later for the sexual abuse of two children aged 6 and 9. @VirgilCaine1 Re: Ewing: Efforts were made to link Paige Chivers' disappearance to the Muslim community by right wing groups including members of the British National Party, the English Defence League, and related blogs. After Ewing's conviction, no comment was made by either organisation. I am not going to convince you Jason but to everyone else reading this. Don’t believe the hype that we are being fed about cancel culture etc it is being used as a smokescreen to undermine our fundamental rights as well as the NHS etc.

Quote ="Durham Giant"https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-56950484 Police violence against black people is much higher than against whites people. Even though there was no evidence of a racist element to this the facts about discriminatory behaviour towards black peoples is significant https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-humber-56183429 There are hundreds more of these incidents Black people are over represented in huge numbers in all sorts af areas which indicate discrimination in this country. Just go and look for them As for your second point about equivalence I am not sure I understand it. I made the point that Boris and other right wingers like Laurence Fox are creating this debate in an attempt to distract ( and attract white racist supporters ) from their attempts to curb democracy and make damaging changes to the NHS which is what led to social change in the Uk after WW2.'" There are 60million+ people in the country. There is a statistically tiny number of these incidents.

Quote ="Durham Giant"https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-56950484 Police violence against black people is much higher than against whites people. Even though there was no evidence of a racist element to this the facts about discriminatory behaviour towards black peoples is significant https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-humber-56183429 There are hundreds more of these incidents Black people are over represented in huge numbers in all sorts af areas which indicate discrimination in this country. Just go and look for them As for your second point about equivalence I am not sure I understand it. I made the point that Boris and other right wingers like Laurence Fox are creating this debate in an attempt to distract ( and attract white racist supporters ) from their attempts to curb democracy and make damaging changes to the NHS which is what led to social change in the Uk after WW2.'" There are 60million+ people in the country. There is a statistically tiny number of these incidents.