No, but if you can blame someone else for your inability to change things then that makes it alright, its supporter politics in the playground again.

However no-one in the coalition is blaming any other political party for what went on in Stafford, they are all well aware that it was down to local management and there is very little that a government can do with that localised situation other than watch the trends and sweep up afterwards.

No one in the current government is blaming the previous administration because they know full-well that a major contributory factor to the failings at Stafford were down to the drive for Foundation Trusts (another Thatcher baby). Stafford was an NHS Trust and was doing all it could to meet the standards for achieving Foundation Trust status. Unfortunately patient care was not a major priority in attaining Foundation Trust status, it was all about management and financials.

Interesting that Cameron is focussing on nurses pay, yet the 2@ who presided over the the Stafford tragedy has been rewarded with the whole of the NHS to bollox up. [url=http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2013/feb/06/david-cameron-nhs-nursesLINK[/url

It is indeed.
He always precedes his cuts with some sort of woolly preamble that is meant to appeal to the cash-strapped voter.
In reducing benfits, he gets the voter onside first with stressing that it's strivers versus skivers, then punishes both.
In increasing university tuition fees, he makes noises about it being unfair that the dustman pays for the toff's kid to go to university, then makes it too daunting for the dustman's kid.

In this case he's talkiing about nurses getting more pay only if they are compassionate.
Maybe I'm just cynical but I reckon it's the nice, warm, fluffy opening gambit to another way of cutting.
We shall see.

It'll be interesting to see how he proposes to measure 'compassion' in an objective and accurate enough manner to form the basis of a pay scale.

He clearly doesn't understand SMART targets.

It did occur to me too, wondering just how compassion is measurable.
Tick boxes for number of times the patient's hand is patted or fevered brow is stroked?

Of course it is. Give nurses more and more to do so they have less time to spend with patients, then point and say they're neglecting patients and slash salaries across the board. I think this is what they meant by transparency in government...

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that makes no sense. though you've got your daily quota in at the end.
the coalition don't have to blame labour. the dates, the report point the finger at them. to do it in public would be seen as opportunistic. but all the targets, funding is sent down from government, a government obsessed with figures.

from the guardian.


from the beeb

HOUSE!!!

Care to prove otherwise?

Quote ="Ajw71"This was the state of the NHS under Labour. www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-21358905'" Because in 13 years of Tory rule we didn't have widespread issues with NHS care...

Quote ="Ajw71"This was the state of the NHS under Labour. www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-21358905'" Because in 13 years of Tory rule we didn't have widespread issues with NHS care...

or not. now, it is a lib dem making these claims. but i'm trying to find something martin lewis tweeted about it, still the only person in the public eye who has a remotely rational way at looking at them that i've seen.
[urlhttp://www.markpack.org.uk/38850/new-university-data-shows-everyone-was-wrong-about-tuition-fees/?utm_source=WordTwit&utm_campaign=wordtwit&utm_medium=referral[/url

prove that you don't invoke maggie to blame all of societies ills on? i'm not sure that would be possible.

The issue being that no-one in government is blaming anyone else other than the specific hospital - so why try and pin blame on a previous or current administration unless you delight in the playground style of politics ?

Because if I had a pound for everytime the Labour socialist clique bleat on about the poor state of the NHS pre 1997 I would be a very rich man.

Now it appears the NHS wasn't all that great when Labour were in office.

But doesn't it make you look a bit daft when no-one else is trying to make political gain from the non-issue - and believe me the politicians would try if they thought it would stick and not bounce back on them.

Interesting ... tell you what, whilst I digest the figures and compare etc, why don't you just ignore that one example, as the point still remains that I reckon Cameron's pay-rises-for compassion-only is a ruse to disguise a cut.

Are you deliberately missing his point?
Also, do you really, really think that the Conservatives would [ufail[/u to pin it on Labour if they could possibly blame them?

I have to prove nothing. Thatcher is at the head of a long list of people whom I blame for the commercialisation of public services, purely to drive up profit opportunities for the private sector, all at the expense of the UK taxpayer. It is a fact that the vast majority on that list are tories, although they do include many New Labour politicians who decided to follow the Thatcher ideology.

Have you seen the latest wheeze? [url=http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/privatised-fire-and-rescue-services-secret-1593277Proposal to privatise fire & rescue services[/url

Jeremy Hunt is under pressure from the Lib Dems (of all people !) and Labour about the NHS. It's all about Statutory Instrument 257 (Section 75) of the Health & Social Care Act 2012, under which virtually EVERY part of the NHS would be opened up to private providers to bid/cherry-pick/make profit from. This government promised no top-down restructuring of the NHS. Maybe they forgot to mention it would just be privatised. If you want to say NO ... here's the petition webpage ---> https://secure.38degrees.org.uk/nhs-section75

Jeremy Hunt is under pressure from the Lib Dems (of all people !) and Labour about the NHS. It's all about Statutory Instrument 257 (Section 75) of the Health & Social Care Act 2012, under which virtually EVERY part of the NHS would be opened up to private providers to bid/cherry-pick/make profit from. This government promised no top-down restructuring of the NHS. Maybe they forgot to mention it would just be privatised. If you want to say NO ... here's the petition webpage ---> https://secure.38degrees.org.uk/nhs-section75

You can also use [url=http://www.writetothem.com/writetothem.com[/url to write to your MP about this sneaky attempt to slip through the end of the health service.

I can quite easily be more compassionate. I'll practice it tonight in work.

"Excuse me nurse why is my dad blue?"
" Well instead of being horrible and forcing him to wear his tight constricting oxygen mask that will save his life. I felt it was more important that I held his hand whilst in an empathic manner I agreed with his need to keep the mask off, in his hypoxic state, as that made him feel better"

Obviously non of this will really happen tonight. As the moment he disagrees with me I'll sedate him



But I dread to think how this would be measured!

Quote ="El Barbudo"Jeremy Hunt is under pressure from the Lib Dems (of all people !) and Labour about the NHS. It's all about Statutory Instrument 257 (Section 75) of the Health & Social Care Act 2012, under which virtually EVERY part of the NHS would be opened up to private providers to bid/cherry-pick/make profit from. This government promised no top-down restructuring of the NHS. Maybe they forgot to mention it would just be privatised. If you want to say NO ... here's the petition webpage ---> https://secure.38degrees.org.uk/nhs-section75'" Well there you go: [urlhttp://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2013/mar/05/nhs-private-sector-humiliating-u-turn-labour[/url For once it looks like persistent questioning by the opposition has got at least [isome[/i results. I for one do not believe for a minute if it were not for the likes of 38 degrees and Burnham anything would have changed.

Quote ="El Barbudo"Jeremy Hunt is under pressure from the Lib Dems (of all people !) and Labour about the NHS. It's all about Statutory Instrument 257 (Section 75) of the Health & Social Care Act 2012, under which virtually EVERY part of the NHS would be opened up to private providers to bid/cherry-pick/make profit from. This government promised no top-down restructuring of the NHS. Maybe they forgot to mention it would just be privatised. If you want to say NO ... here's the petition webpage ---> https://secure.38degrees.org.uk/nhs-section75'" Well there you go: [urlhttp://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2013/mar/05/nhs-private-sector-humiliating-u-turn-labour[/url For once it looks like persistent questioning by the opposition has got at least [isome[/i results. I for one do not believe for a minute if it were not for the likes of 38 degrees and Burnham anything would have changed.

Agreed.
They must hate the way that 38 degrees can monitor their actions and mobilise reaction.
I only became a member by default, having been a Charter 88 signatory, but I rarely disagree with their petitions

Should Labour apologise for its handling of the NHS? www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... lings.html

Should Labour apologise for its handling of the NHS? www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... lings.html

Quote ="Dally"Should Labour apologise for its handling of the NHS? www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... lings.html'" You know there's a storm of some proportion on the horizon when in-government politicians start to blame their predecessors, stage two will be to distance Nicholson from any of this and use Staffs as a reason for more privatisation - they've been embarassed by their covert action to press on with privatisation, now they have to start the smoke, mirrors and blame approach.

Quote ="Dally"Should Labour apologise for its handling of the NHS? www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... lings.html'" You know there's a storm of some proportion on the horizon when in-government politicians start to blame their predecessors, stage two will be to distance Nicholson from any of this and use Staffs as a reason for more privatisation - they've been embarassed by their covert action to press on with privatisation, now they have to start the smoke, mirrors and blame approach.