Have they? We are leaving the EU (UKIP influenced) and we are about to vote in a hard Brexit leader on a landslide majority like never seen before. That's hardly socialism.

The Frogs were never going to vote for the right. If one country in the EU epitomises socialism its them. Unions, strikes, nationalism, overly complex and expensive workers rights, high welfare bill........

And in other news, the Tories have stolen another of Labour's policies on energy tariffs.

Although the UK followed Mr FArage out of Europe and he would be described as "Right Wing", people now look to have abandoned UKIP, which is certainly a NO or non, to the right wing.

T May is trying to please everyone at the moment left, Right and in between.
She'll probably appear on TV with all her Scottish "relatives" soon, it's no wonder we've had strong winds this week.
She appears to be following Trumps campaign and is just saying anything that sounds popular.
No credibility whatsoever.

She is just copying Blair who copied Clinton - it all about presentation something completely lost on the likes of Corbyn, McDonald and Abbot.

Of course they have UKIPs job is done now pass it to the Party who will deliver it. Its no different to a salesman opening the door of a client and winning the contract. Once that happens pass it to the specialist/techs to deliver the product



She could offer nation saving policies such as add 4 more public holidays to the 8 we get, Remove the parking fees at hospitals or critically tax private health insurance to a higher rate. At least we know we are in good hands under the red flag



Its creditworthy listening to Corbyn, Abbott and the rest of the reserves he has on his bench

Let’s say from the two evils French chose Macron, but still looks like they are not very happy.
These days I often meet French people, very few want to live in France, most of young people move to French speaking Belgium and Switzerland, sometimes to Germany, Netherlands or States.
I have spoken with a 29 year old French living in Germany, and he claims that for him it is impossible to live in Paris and have the same quality of life like he has in Germany. He’s got a good job in logistics and earns nearly twice more than in France, he can afford to buy apartment in Berlin [urlhttps://tranio.com/germany/berlin/apartments/[/url while in Paris he says no one of his age can, he feels more secure abroad, speaking no German and being a foreigner.

What point are you trying to make ?

I had some visitors from France a couple of months ago and they were explaining how the electoral system worked over there and they called the result exactly how it ended, with Le Penn getting 35% but remaining at 35% in the second round and that the remaining voters would line up against Le Penn in the second round.
At least they turned their backs on the hard line right wing.
Germany has taken huge numbers of immigrants and been the most "welcoming" nation, numbers that massively dwarf those coming into the UK.
The housing issue is a problem in all capital cities and perhaps more and more will follow the New York model, where everyone lives in the suburbs and commutes into the city to work.
We have just the same problem in London and it's just as bad in Dublin.

A bit off topic, but, you don't appear to know much about New York or London

What, ordinary people priced out of living in the capital cities ?

So MOST young French people go to live abroad do they? Interesting 'fact' that.

Quantify 'ordinary'.

Firstly, that's not what you said, you said "everyone" and secondly, as far as New York is concerned I presume that you were basing your misguided opinion on Manhattan, rather than the five boroughs that make up New York City? Quite a lot of people live in Manhattan anyway admittedly in expensive real estate, but, in the Bronx, Brooklyn, Queens and Staten Island there are plenty of neighbourhoods where "ordinary" people live.

The City of London is a different animal altogether, but, then I do wonder what you think qualifies as London in your model?

Let's go for, anyone on "average" wages, wanting to live within 15/20 mins of "The City", especially if they want to buy a property.
Places that would cost £200,000 in the north of England, comfortably selling at over £1,000,000.

Of course, people who have lived down there and not "cashed in" their property can afford to live in "Central London" but, unless you are on mega bucks, you aren't going to be able to buy there.
Of course, there are some exceptions.

A substantial amount of people from Hoboken and jersey city commute the short distance across the Hudson to manhattan . Unfortunately some of the working class areas in these communities have been gentrified . Property prices have shot up, pricing the average wage earners out of the market. As in London if you bought years ago you are quids in or should I say dollars in.
As in London some of the journey times people undertake to commute to New York from outlying areas are staggering.

So, the first murmurings today of the EU wanting to regulate clearing of their own transactions, 70% of which take place in the City and which generate huge revenue for our financial sector.

Also, listening to the Conservative MP, Bill Cash, on 5 live today, it seems like much of the groundwork for the Brexit negotiations is already laid out and remaining in the single market or access to it are not going to be possible, regardless of the make up of the new coalition government.

Where are all the Brexitiers who said that there would be no problem getting a free trade deal.

No worries. Putin is now looking after the USA and UK.

What a FOOKING mess we are in. Our lead negotiator is as Thick as mince and as lazy as a toad. www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/po ... 45911.html And we are currently being manipulated by a group of individuals who are more interested in their power games to be next Tory leader than representing the national interest. Gove Hammond. Davis et al.

What a FOOKING mess we are in. Our lead negotiator is as Thick as mince and as lazy as a toad. www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/po ... 45911.html And we are currently being manipulated by a group of individuals who are more interested in their power games to be next Tory leader than representing the national interest. Gove Hammond. Davis et al.

Quote ="Durham Giant"What a FOOKING mess we are in. Our lead negotiator is as Thick as mince and as lazy as a toad. www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/po ... 45911.html And we are currently being manipulated by a group of individuals who are more interested in their power games to be next Tory leader than representing the national interest. Gove Hammond. Davis et al.'" You're citing an Indy article and expecting it to be taken seriously? Especially one quoting a man called a 'career psychopath' by David Cameron ffs, and known for stabbing Johnson in the back, for being Gove's wing man, and for being incredibly bitter about the Brexit process which has left him in the cold? FFS, the Tories could find a cure for cancer and the Indy would immediately condemn them for not doing it quickly enough and for not having enough working class black Muslim lesbians from tower blocks on their team.

Quote ="Durham Giant"What a FOOKING mess we are in. Our lead negotiator is as Thick as mince and as lazy as a toad. www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/po ... 45911.html And we are currently being manipulated by a group of individuals who are more interested in their power games to be next Tory leader than representing the national interest. Gove Hammond. Davis et al.'" You're citing an Indy article and expecting it to be taken seriously? Especially one quoting a man called a 'career psychopath' by David Cameron ffs, and known for stabbing Johnson in the back, for being Gove's wing man, and for being incredibly bitter about the Brexit process which has left him in the cold? FFS, the Tories could find a cure for cancer and the Indy would immediately condemn them for not doing it quickly enough and for not having enough working class black Muslim lesbians from tower blocks on their team.

In your imagination?



I'm sure you can google a couple of examples, but as far as I - and pretty much everyone with any modicum of intelligence - have always known, leaving the EU means leaving the single market - for the simple fact the feckin idiotic ideal of freedom of movement has been judged a failure by the British Electorate not only in the EU Referendum, but also the General Election. Why would anyone expect to reject one part of the single market and benefit from the rest?

For clarity, it also means leaving the customs union (or the protectionist customs barrier as it should be known).

No-one ever said it would be easy. We should never have ended up in the grip of the EU in the first place. Extracting yourself from a protectionist cartel is never easy, but it is necessary.

Ideally, we can agree a sort of single market/customs union 'lite' - without the stupid ideals but many of the benefits, even if they come at some minimum tariff, and I imagine that's what the aim is.

Quote ="Cronus"icon_lol.gif You're citing an Indy article and expecting it to be taken seriously? Especially one quoting a man called a 'career psychopath' by David Cameron ffs, and known for stabbing Johnson in the back, for being Gove's wing man, and for being incredibly bitter about the Brexit process which has left him in the cold? FFS, the Tories could find a cure for cancer and the Indy would immediately condemn them for not doing it quickly enough and for not having enough working class black Muslim lesbians from tower blocks on their team.'" More evidence for the story from more left wing sources The daily mail www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... mince.html London evening standard www.standard.co.uk/news/politics ... 90086.html The sun https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/4038242/e ... w-deepens/ Seems like you have turned into our own Donald Trump. Anything reported in the press you don't like is fake news.

Quote ="Cronus"icon_lol.gif You're citing an Indy article and expecting it to be taken seriously? Especially one quoting a man called a 'career psychopath' by David Cameron ffs, and known for stabbing Johnson in the back, for being Gove's wing man, and for being incredibly bitter about the Brexit process which has left him in the cold? FFS, the Tories could find a cure for cancer and the Indy would immediately condemn them for not doing it quickly enough and for not having enough working class black Muslim lesbians from tower blocks on their team.'" More evidence for the story from more left wing sources The daily mail www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... mince.html London evening standard www.standard.co.uk/news/politics ... 90086.html The sun https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/4038242/e ... w-deepens/ Seems like you have turned into our own Donald Trump. Anything reported in the press you don't like is fake news.

Quote ="Durham Giant"More evidence for the story from more left wing sources The daily mail www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... mince.html London evening standard www.standard.co.uk/news/politics ... 90086.html The sun https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/4038242/e ... w-deepens/ Seems like you have turned into our own Donald Trump. Anything reported in the press you don't like is fake news.'" All reporting the same jaundiced opinion from a complete prat?? Hardly different from The Indy article.

Quote ="Durham Giant"More evidence for the story from more left wing sources The daily mail www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... mince.html London evening standard www.standard.co.uk/news/politics ... 90086.html The sun https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/4038242/e ... w-deepens/ Seems like you have turned into our own Donald Trump. Anything reported in the press you don't like is fake news.'" All reporting the same jaundiced opinion from a complete prat?? Hardly different from The Indy article.

Quote ="Durham Giant"More evidence for the story from more left wing sources The daily mail www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... mince.html London evening standard www.standard.co.uk/news/politics ... 90086.html The sun https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/4038242/e ... w-deepens/ Seems like you have turned into our own Donald Trump. Anything reported in the press you don't like is fake news.'" All reporting the same comments from the same man? Is that the best you can do? Where did I mention fake news? Seeing as you don't seem to understand, I'll explain. They are nothing more than tactical comments made by a bitter man with an agenda.

Quote ="Durham Giant"More evidence for the story from more left wing sources The daily mail www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... mince.html London evening standard www.standard.co.uk/news/politics ... 90086.html The sun https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/4038242/e ... w-deepens/ Seems like you have turned into our own Donald Trump. Anything reported in the press you don't like is fake news.'" All reporting the same comments from the same man? Is that the best you can do? Where did I mention fake news? Seeing as you don't seem to understand, I'll explain. They are nothing more than tactical comments made by a bitter man with an agenda.

I suppose that's opinions for you. The same could be said about you.

Your conclusions regarding the general election being yet another vote for leaving the EU is certainly interesting.
That must be why there has been so much talk of a softer Brexit, compared to May's previous "hard Brexit" stance.
How did you reach your conclusion ?

THe numbers of people that realise that we have probably voted (in the EU Membership referendum) to being a little worse off, seems to be growing and the "leave" lobbyists pretend that we knew this all along.
Sadly, all the campaigning tole the "masses" that we would be better off and blatantly lied about our position outside the EU, some even referred to the remain side as "snowflakes" but it seems that maybe they were right.

Also, the leave brigade sighted the EU as crumbling and yet France, with Macron at the helm have become more pro Europe and other nations still want to join the club, so, perhaps there is still life in the institution.

Of course there is plenty that is wrong with the EU, just as there is with EVERY political system on the planet but, it's still laughable that we see our future dealing with nations that are geographically further away then the EU, which is less convenient for all but, I guess time will tell who was right.

It's interesting that we now want a "staged" exit, to try and avoid a further economic shock and that we are softening our stance.

The turkeys certainly voted for Christmas.

Over £14 for a Big Mac meal with McFlurry here in Switzerland. Are we blaming Brexit for that too?