There's no chance of that – they're simply doing what they've promised their mates in the private sector:– helping them line their pockets.

And then there are individuals like Lib-Dem MP John Hemming, who is helping to sell off the NHS while at the same time putting down an EDM on the metrification of the English language, as in 'ton of bricks'.

His Twitter account name is johnhemmingmp – he'll have to change that after the next election.

single policy politicians, always a great idea.

It was enough to get shut of the Hamiltons from Tatton. Mind you, look at the oik that eventually turned up there.

It's also a perfectly valid method of protest, especially when the members of the incumbent government are railroading through a piece of legislation that is so universally hated and never appeared in either party's manifesto

Any worse than omitting your real policy from your manifestos?
Any worse than implementing a policy that's 180 degrees from what you did say?
Any worse than appointing a Health Minister who had election donations from a private health company director?

Quote ="El Barbudo"Any worse than omitting your real policy from your manifestos? Any worse than implementing a policy that's 180 degrees from what you did say? '" The Tories NHS policy was set out in their manifesto. The problem is people chose not to read these things and rely on misrepresentation by opposition parties. See pp 45-49: www.general-election-2010.co.uk/ ... o-2010.pdf

Quote ="El Barbudo"Any worse than omitting your real policy from your manifestos? Any worse than implementing a policy that's 180 degrees from what you did say? '" The Tories NHS policy was set out in their manifesto. The problem is people chose not to read these things and rely on misrepresentation by opposition parties. See pp 45-49: www.general-election-2010.co.uk/ ... o-2010.pdf

Quote ="Dally"The Tories NHS policy was set out in their manifesto. The problem is people chose not to read these things and rely on misrepresentation by opposition parties. See pp 45-49: www.general-election-2010.co.uk/ ... o-2010.pdf'" It says: "We will back the NHS". It does not mention splitting it up and selling off the NHS to Tory backers, including those who have been funding La La Lansley for years. There are reasons that the coalition does not to reveal the risk register. There are reasons the coalition is completely ignoring the concerns of health professionals themselves. And let's remember, as Cameron said: "There will be no more top-down reorganisations of the NHS". He lied. Let us be quite clear about this: the PM is a liar. And as for the garbage about patients wanting "choice", it was garbage under Labour and it is still garbage. Patients do not want "choice" – they don't want to be given a list of hospitals and sent away to choose which one to ring up and book an appointment with. This is utter and complete bullery. Patients want reliable, safe health care near to their home. It's that simple. And as for the liar Cameron mentioning MRSA in the manifesto – it was his tard party that privatised so-called 'soft services' in the NHS, which, as a result, saw the number of cleaners halved while infection rates rose, because profits are more important than human beings if you're a tard Tory. And just to repeat in case anyone missed it – Cameron is a liar.

Quote ="Dally"The Tories NHS policy was set out in their manifesto. The problem is people chose not to read these things and rely on misrepresentation by opposition parties. See pp 45-49: www.general-election-2010.co.uk/ ... o-2010.pdf'" It says: "We will back the NHS". It does not mention splitting it up and selling off the NHS to Tory backers, including those who have been funding La La Lansley for years. There are reasons that the coalition does not to reveal the risk register. There are reasons the coalition is completely ignoring the concerns of health professionals themselves. And let's remember, as Cameron said: "There will be no more top-down reorganisations of the NHS". He lied. Let us be quite clear about this: the PM is a liar. And as for the garbage about patients wanting "choice", it was garbage under Labour and it is still garbage. Patients do not want "choice" – they don't want to be given a list of hospitals and sent away to choose which one to ring up and book an appointment with. This is utter and complete bullery. Patients want reliable, safe health care near to their home. It's that simple. And as for the liar Cameron mentioning MRSA in the manifesto – it was his tard party that privatised so-called 'soft services' in the NHS, which, as a result, saw the number of cleaners halved while infection rates rose, because profits are more important than human beings if you're a tard Tory. And just to repeat in case anyone missed it – Cameron is a liar.

I wasn't aware of the NHS being broken up. The idea is that it remainds free to the user but different services may be provided by different organisations. Indeed, a huge part of it has been privatised in exactly that way for years - GP surgeries!

The re-organisation is supposed to be bottom up - from the GPS / etc.

Whilst I totally disagree with re-organisation I am not sure you can say that they were not honest about their proposals.

On a wider point Cameron said quite clearly during the election campaign that if elected (I can not recall the exact phrase, but in essence as follows) that they would hugely change Britain and its society forever. In other words, that they would rip up the post-War state machinery that people like us have been brought up with and, presumably, make up more of a US type state. Hideous maybe, but dishonest not.

Quote ="Dally"The Tories NHS policy was set out in their manifesto. The problem is people chose not to read these things and rely on misrepresentation by opposition parties. See pp 45-49: www.general-election-2010.co.uk/ ... o-2010.pdf'" That's not a policy, it's a glossy wishlist with the scary stuff (i.e. the "how"icon_wink.gif omitted. Yes, people do choose not to read these things ... but many relied on misrepresentation by David Cameron.

Quote ="Dally"The Tories NHS policy was set out in their manifesto. The problem is people chose not to read these things and rely on misrepresentation by opposition parties. See pp 45-49: www.general-election-2010.co.uk/ ... o-2010.pdf'" That's not a policy, it's a glossy wishlist with the scary stuff (i.e. the "how"icon_wink.gif omitted. Yes, people do choose not to read these things ... but many relied on misrepresentation by David Cameron.

A manifesto, by it's nature is just a broad overview. Otherwise, it would run to thousands of pages and not serve it's purpose.

Again, I do not believe he misrepresented.

So when he said there would be no top-down reorganisation .... that was not a misrepresentation?

"There will be no more top-down reorganisations of the NHS."

He then oversees exactly that, dismissing the views of the majority of those working in the NHS to impose change.

In other words, he lied. David Cameron is a liar.

And the manifesto is wishy-washy bølløcks.

Still, if it took you in ...

That pile of crap you linked to is 130+ (although one page is Dave pretending to write it, and some others appear to be Pythonesque graphs) Not that broad an overview

you mean like Wilson,Heath,Callaghan,Thatcher,Major,BLIAR & Brown ?

I mean to the extent =of campaigning on specific pledges – and then, when in office, going straight back on those pledges. Why? Because he knows that the British love the NHS and if he'd told the truth, he would not have been anywhere near Downing Street.

That's why he had to lie; that's why, in spite of being ordered to do so by courts, he and his lackeys have still refused to reveal the risk register. But as long as the private health companies he had secret meetings with, and the private health companies that have funded La La Lansley for years can make loads more money (and then probably take it out of the country or at least avoid paying tax on it) he won't care a toss.

Blair was dismal – another believer in neo-liberal nonsense and a liar over the war. Thatcher started the entire neo-liberal attack on this country, deciding that we could get rid of industry and develop and live off a culture of 'aspirationalism' – or put another way, keeping up with the Joneses turned into a virtue. And that's without mentioning privatisation – another policy Blair continued.

Wilson? Kept us out of Vietnam and founded the Open University, so his is the most positive legacy in decades, methinks.

But back to Cameron. Specific lies, told to the electorate and then reneged on the minute he gained office.

Still, it'll also make the disgusting Daniel Hannan happy.

And the thing is, unless the whole NHS experiment fails absolutely terribly and with tragic consequences, I can see the Tories winning the next election with an absolute majority.

Mainly because there is no-one else to oppose them at the moment and probably won't be at the next election.

I wouldn't be so sure on that.

True, Labour have been somewhat lacking in policy apart from, "we wouldn't do that". But I think Miliband Minor is far from stupid. I reckon we'll soon see a shadow cabinet re-shuffle with balls Balls and no-balls Balls swapping places. Ed Balls is still tainted by his stint with Gordon Brown and basically he comes across as nothing more than a gob[is[/ihite, Yvette Cooper is a shrewder beast alltogether and Gideon would find debating with her difficult to say the least. Rachael Reeves could also give Gideon a run for his money but she does need to ditch that estuarial accent. Chuka Ummuna is another one who I reckon will benefit from accelerated promotion.

There's been no need so far for Labour to proclaim any policies but they'd better be ready because after the failure of last year's [url=http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-12657524Most pro-growth budget ever[/url, if this year's results in even more borowing and stifled growth, we could be in for some serious slanging matches

Indeed.
She had Theresa May on toast over the 'Just let em in without checking' fiasco.

I wonder how the NHS will fit into Gideon's regional public sector pay proposals?

Could we end up with health "ghettos" where Trusts are prevented from paying the going rate to attract top quality staff, with nurses and doctors choosing to work 20 miles down the road where they can get a better deal?

Look at Labour's - all it says is "Tough choices" - what the heck did that mean?

We have that already. NHS care is a postcode lottery. Also it's not national in the sense that there's no joined up care between different areas. Eg My daughter goes to school in one place, at weekend is at home and our local hospital is a couple of miles away across a county boundary. Our county has no specialist nurses to advise on her condition, the one attached to the local hospital allegedly can't because we are across the boundary, whilst being nearer than most of their county's folk. You can only register with one GP despite residing in two locations. Also the system if heavily GP based and seems likely to get more so. There seems to be this notion that your GP knows you inside out (literally!) - but the reality is that if you are fortunate to be healthy and go to a group practice the chances of them knowing you is remote! Also, with complex conditions they refuse to opine and so are pointless going to - apart to waste time for a referral to a consultant and then again as a conduit for the consultants response. The system is not great.

Surgeries are where GP practices are located. GP [ipractices [/iare not private independent companies. They are all contracted to the NHS and that contract defines the hours they work, what they must do and what they get paid for doing it.

It is a simplistic myth to say GP practices are private companies.



The idea that the scrapping of the regional health authorities and PCT's with quangos put in place to oversee the new set up is some sort of bottom up GP led reorganisation is ridiculous.



You cannot possibly claim saying any of that trumps saying that there won't be a top down reorganisation of the NHS.

[url=http://origin.library.constantcontact.com/download/get/file/1102665899193-912/Health-Bill-Transition-Risk-Register-NC-15-Oct-10-Dept-Bd-Version-v1.pdfThe Risk Register?[/url

Given the sources who were tweeting that last night, that's the real thing.