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| Quote ="tb"Compound adjective. The hyphen is essential.
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| Quote ="El Barbudo"Or saying "He's got 8 O levels", in which case we are into compound noun territory.'"
Adjetive and the noun it describes. No need for a hyphen (any more than you'd hyphenate 'he has five red balls'). Noun and adjective used together as an adjectival phrase, or compound adjective, requires a hyphen.
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| Anyway - the definitive guide to hyphenation from the last style guide wot I wrote.
Quote Hyphens
Use hyphens to avoid ambiguity, eg cross-section, not cross section, we are not discussing its temper.
When the same two vowels appear together it helps pronunciation if they are hyphenated, eg co-operate not cooperate, re-enter not reenter.
Compound adjectives (ie, when a noun is used with a modifier to form a single description) should be hyphenated, eg, two-tier workforce, part-time worker (but someone works part time).
Nouns formed from a verb and preposition also take hyphens, eg: ‘there was a build-up of forces’, but ‘UNISON is going to build up its membership’.
Similarly, only hyphenate compass points and fractions if they make a compound adjective, eg south-east England, two-thirds full. Otherwise, it’s three quarters of us were happy to live in the north west.
An adverb and verb doesn’t take a hyphen, eg poorly paid workers, not poorly-paid workers, properly rewarded jobs, not properly-rewarded jobs (the technical reason is that it’s not a compound adjective but an adverbial phrase – as a rule of thumb: if there’s a y, there’s no hyphen).
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| Quote ="tb"Anyway - the definitive guide to hyphenation from the last style guide wot I wrote.
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| Quote ="tb"Adjetive and the noun it describes ...'"
Would you like a 'c' with that? |
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| Quote ="rover49"It's baff, as in 'gunnarav a baff''"
'ull speak. Nothing like it in the world. Its like having your own private language cos no one else understands you anywhere else   |
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| Quote ="Hull White Star"'ull speak. Nothing like it in the world. Its like having your own private language cos no one else understands you anywhere else
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| Quote ="WIZEB"You been down Chamberlain Road[u ten-foot [/uwith them dogs lately?'"
Yeah, but tend to drive down there now and go up trod Heard Rav Wilding call it a ginnel the other day on Neighbourhood Blues in Hull. Now that'll confuse some Hullensians |
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| Quote ="billypop"I would like to see people who don't know the difference between it's and its correct their semi literate postings. If you need some advice, just ask.
Good god, how did you pass your exams?'"
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| Quote ="rover49"I see Billybop has not joined in his own debate
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billypoP. please. Blue touchpaper works well for me. |
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| Quote ="View from the full back"Shouldn't god have a capital "G".'"
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| Quote ="Sadfish"Lol busted in 1'"
It's an accepted synonym, good god how thick are you...and your friends? I have just looked at the older cvs I was sent in the 90s and all of those cvs quote O Levels and A levels. NONE of them have hyphens. Some of them have board level positions, but I suppose they should add a hyphen just to please you? Hmmm |
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Quote ="Ferocious Aardvark"billypop. Proper name. Should be capitalized.
Thread title. Should be "O-level English".
Epic fail. Off with his head.'"
Wrong.
Now apologise.
www.cie.org.uk/qualifications/ac ... l/overview
Trust me, there's a lot more.
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Quote ="Ferocious Aardvark"billypop. Proper name. Should be capitalized.
Thread title. Should be "O-level English".
Epic fail. Off with his head.'"
Wrong.
Now apologise.
www.cie.org.uk/qualifications/ac ... l/overview
Trust me, there's a lot more.
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| Quote ="billypop"No'"
You sure? I was always told that proper nouns should start with a capital. You are referring to God, an specific named entity. |
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Beats me, chief. They do visit carstles though. |
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| Quote ="billypop"It's an accepted synonym, good god how thick are you...and your friends? I have just looked at the older cvs I was sent in the 90s and all of those cvs quote O Levels and A levels. NONE of them have hyphens. Some of them have board level positions, but I suppose they should add a hyphen just to please you? Hmmm'"
You hit the nail right on the head with "semi literate." |
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| Quote ="tb"Anyway - the definitive guide to hyphenation from the last style guide wot I wrote.
When the same two vowels appear together it helps pronunciation if they are hyphenated, eg co-operate not cooperate, re-enter not reenter.'"
This is why there so is much confusion. Individuals like you making judgements and the internet giving a platform for people to post anything as fact as we've seen where people including lazy journalists using it to get quick information about something when writing articles.
Words like Coordinate and Cooperate are correct. The language has evolved as people were unsure and thought a hyphen should go in. How does the OED spell them anyone?
As I said earlier the word today was hyphenated and my father in law still spells it like that to this day. Things do evolve, but the internet has a lot to answer for. |
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| Quote ="Rooster Booster"
Words like Coordinate and Cooperate are correct. '"
They are (though no need for the caps). And when you write a style guide and are dealing with multiple 'correct' options, the purpose of the guide is to choose one and stick with it consistently and coherently. It's a style, not a grammar, decision in that case.
Quote ="Rooster Booster"
As I said earlier the word today was hyphenated '"
Really? You sure? |
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Quote ="tb"They are (though no need for the caps). And when you write a style guide and are dealing with multiple 'correct' options, the purpose of the guide is to choose one and stick with it consistently and coherently. It's a style, not a grammar, decision in that case.
Really? You sure?'"
OK tb, understood. Apologies for the rantish nature.
Yeah to-day was, you notice it more in old World War 1 posters. My father in law still writes it that way.
Here are a couple of examples one can find out there.
delwedd.llgc.org.uk/delweddau/xcm/xcm00061.jpg
one-great-war.tumblr.com/
Probably being from poor London backgrounds meant that his and our school books were very old. I recall that my books still had words like medieval spelt mediæval. I still type it with the æ (ash) as a typographer. At worst I still write it with the ae in the middle. I'm thinking it's to show the drawn out E sound. We lost the ash thanks to typewriters.
Sorry, more from the Imperial War Museum:
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Quote ="tb"They are (though no need for the caps). And when you write a style guide and are dealing with multiple 'correct' options, the purpose of the guide is to choose one and stick with it consistently and coherently. It's a style, not a grammar, decision in that case.
Really? You sure?'"
OK tb, understood. Apologies for the rantish nature.
Yeah to-day was, you notice it more in old World War 1 posters. My father in law still writes it that way.
Here are a couple of examples one can find out there.
delwedd.llgc.org.uk/delweddau/xcm/xcm00061.jpg
one-great-war.tumblr.com/
Probably being from poor London backgrounds meant that his and our school books were very old. I recall that my books still had words like medieval spelt mediæval. I still type it with the æ (ash) as a typographer. At worst I still write it with the ae in the middle. I'm thinking it's to show the drawn out E sound. We lost the ash thanks to typewriters.
Sorry, more from the Imperial War Museum:
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Er, we weren't discussing "Cambridge O Levels" whatever they may be; and given the rick they have made in the examination title, I wouldn't be sending my kids to anywhere that used their services.
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Having been corrected by tb and now creeping back into this conversation ... may I just divert attention to my BBC-bee-in-my-bonnet again (look at all those hyphens tb !).
The bee in my bonnet about the BBC is the habit of failing to enunciate both consonants when two consecutive words (let's call them word A and word B) have the same consonant at the end of word A and at the beginning of word B.
Hence, we get references to Spay shuttle and spay station, the Pry Minister, the Business eckertry, Nick Leg ... and remarks like "It's going to be a cole day" and "here's the may news again".
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But then you just ALWAYS get "Laura Norder". Now [ithat's[/i irritating.
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