The use of the word "arguable" was to stimulate debate! Unfortunately, as always with these "emotive" issues people "know" the answer through their brain-washed prejudice and debate descends into the gutter within seconds.

So your use of the words "arguably" and "prove" don't actually mean that you could construct an argument to prove what you were asserting.
How very odd.

You have plenty of previous in equating gay sexuality with immorality so, bearing that in mind, I am reluctant to believe you used the word "arguably" just to stimulate debate.
Indeed, I think you posted the article as some sort of mealy-mouthed "proof" of your grubby, narrow-minded, anti-gay views.

"Grubby"?

Yes.

Is that it then?
No defence of a) Your views or b) Your lack of cojones in backing them up?

To clarify, you are accusing me of prejudice and having a closed mind because I [idon't[/i accept the possibility that homosexuality is the result of some sort of mental illness?

Wow.

At best.

Illness / abnormality / whatever you want to call it - then, yes.

Which views? I am not sure that I have expressed any. I have not looked back to check - maybe you could just explain the views you are referring to?

That's your last two posts. In reference to mental health you appear to be equating homosexuality with "Illness/abnormality".

Hardly neutral terms. From equating homosexuality with those terms it doesn't take a giant leap for one to assume that you see homosexuality as a negative.

It's arguably progress – in the past, he's illustrated that his views on homosexuality are pretty much in line with those of Robert Mugabe.

You are failing to understand what has been written. I am not equating anything, just pointing out the bias of someone who denies the possibility.

To accept that possibility, you'd have to be starting from the position that homosexuality is somehow 'wrong' or 'abnormal'. Which would make you a disgusting bigot.

Even then, there's not a single shred of evidence to support the 'possibility', so I treat it exactly the same as anything else for which there is no evidence.

No it wouldn't.

Well the linked article (if true) suggests the possibility! Also, a cursory look via your search engine at studies might suggest the possibility.

Ah, we seem to have gone from 'arguably proves' to 'might suggest the possibility'. Your change in rhetoric aside, I'd be interested for you to show how the article you linked to 'might suggest the possibility' that homosexuality is the result of mental illness or abnormality.

Edit: a quick google search did not throw up any studies supporting Dally's grubby little hypothesis. I did find [url=http://www.apa.org/help/sexual-orientation.aspxthis[/url, however. An excerpt:

clearly taking snippets of my wording to fit it your argument, I made the point that it would be a fair assumption that given that somebody who's mental wiring had changed and then turned homosexual would indicate a mental relation to homosexuality. BUT there was no proof that this happened so it was a flawed article.

You seem to be confusing coincidence with a causal relationship. We know for sure that he broke his neck during the accident - maybe that turned him gay. He was taken to hospital in an ambulance - maybe that turned him gay. He was probably given some sort of sedation and/or pain relief - maybe that turned him gay. Or maybe he was gay/bisexual all along and his brush with death lead him to take stock and decide life is too short to live a lie.

So, in short, it's not a 'fair assumption' at all - even if it could be shown that his 'mental wiring had changed'.

Spot on. Lets wait and see if he sues them for millions.

I'm constantly amazed as to where people who think being gay is "immoral" or "wrong" got their thinking from.

There used to be a poster on here who said the Bible supported that view.
IIRC the poster quoted Jesus but I wasn't convinced at the interpretation.

However, I'm not of the view that the Bible or Jesus should be taken as gospel.

I don't think he'd be very successful seeing as he appears to have said, in his own words:
"‘I was gay when I woke up and I still am. It sounds strange but when I came round I immediately felt different. I wasn’t interested in women any more. I was definitely gay. I had never been attracted to a man before – I’d never even had any gay friends."

So let's take what we know (assuming he is telling the truth): he wasn't originally gay, he was much like many posters in here - a rugby-playing 'lad'. He had a traumatic event which included a stroke and a broken neck. He now claims he's gay and has, according to his account and some vague pictorial evidence, changed dramatically.

Bearing in mind many accounts of changes of behaviour, skills and knowledge following trauma involving the brain, I don't see what the problem is.

The important thing to bear in mind is that IF this is true, it doesn't necessarily follow that all homosexuality is the result of an incorrectly wired brain. In this case, just wired differently to before the trauma.

There is a suggestion that brain structure differs in gay men compared with the general population and also in lesbian women compared with the general population. If I recall, gay men seem to have a more symmetrical hemispheres than straight men, gay women less symmetrical hemispheres than straight women.

Then there's the question of how overcrowding affects behaviour - I think there's was a famous old study that showed male rats can become homosexual in crowded conditions.

Apparently, he and his girlfriend at the time, were on a "break", which roughly translated means she had already dumped him, reasons not given to the press.

So he has a blow to the head and wakes up gay

Why does'nt he just admit that he has always been gay. Afterall, he would'nt be the 1st gay male hairdresser...

It could be that he'd put a block up and refused to accept or acknowledge it. He certainly wouldn't be the first to do that.

Equally, as has already been mentioned, he could be bisexual.

Anyway, back to the gym.

I spent an hour on the new machine in the gym yesterday and was as sick as a dog afterwards. Mind you, it's a great machine, chock-full of chocolate bars, crisps and fizzy drinks

Are you feeling different?