Thought he was a top bloke you only had love for?

Are you seriously suggesting that kids are not mixing now? Risks are minimal of them going back to school - numerous reports in various countries suggest this to be the case. Have they had a big increase in Denmark/Norway since kids went back to school?

The risks are known - there are several independent reports out there yet the unions continue to advise member not to return to work. These are kids and young people you will never create the 100% safe environment that the unions are requesting until you get a vaccine. So what is the solution - its simple really - you accept the risk, minimise them wherever possible and get back to educating children - if you are not prepared to do that then perhaps a career change is for you?

So, where's the evidence that the unions are demanding a 100% safe environment?
- and whilst were at it, wheres the evidence that this government knows what they are doing wrt the virus?

Indeed, teachers (and their unions) seem to be forgetting that mpst parents work, so who looks after the kids during the day?

As tragic as every death is, it has been less than 1% of the population, we are better equipped now with social distancing and other measures, kids have precious little to look forward to in later life without a decent education, denying them that for some political upstaging is immoral.

Doctors, Nurses, Porters, Paramedics, Police, Fire, Armed Forces, Coastguard, RNLI and countless others (Supermarket Workers, Bank Staff) risk themselves in their roles, why are teachers a special case?

We need to get used to the fact that Covid is here to stay, and adapt.

The opening of schools in the US has not gone too well but why should that be the same for us because we have the in depth planning of the Johnson government.

Let's start with the EIS a quote from Larry Flannagan

"Even with full implementation of the guidelines and its mitigations, many teachers and parents will be understandably nervous about a return to the classroom"

What does that say - it says even full implementation - its not enough - go figure?

Patrick Roach - NASUWT
"He also says teachers will not return to their jobs unless the Government affords them the same employment rights as other key workers "

Would you like some more direct quotes?

Most of Europe have kids back in school - France has had them back for months - they were no better prepared than us.

Yes they do but they don’t have Johnson in charge whose track record is more Trump with his lack of planning.

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However research trumps your suggestions.

The times states that the research shows secondary schools pass it on like adults

Secondary school pupils are likely to transmit coronavirus as easily as adults, according to official research used by ministers to argue that it is safe for all children to return to class next month.
Scientists at Public Health England (PHE) believe that tougher rules are likely to be needed for older children, despite finding that primary pupils do not seem to pass the virus to each other.
Gavin Williamson, the education secretary, said yesterday that a study being conducted by PHE of thousands of pupils who returned to schools in June showed that there was little risk in government plans for all children to be back in the classroom for the new academic year next month.
However, The Times understands that researchers working on the study are unhappy with the way ministers have used the findings, which have not been fully analysed. The preliminary results do suggest that primary schools pose little danger, with only six positive tests out of 9,000 tested so far. These cases were not linked to each other and contact tracing suggested that the children had caught the virus from their parents or other carers outside school.
This morning Edward Argar, the health minister, admitted the PHE research among secondary pupils was “still work in progress”.
He told Sky News: “I think we should be cautious about reading too much into that work in progress, it’s important work but it isn’t complete yet.”
He insisted, however, that plans to reopen schools would continue as planned school children are at risk is if a child brings it into the school from home. Importantly, it does not seem to work the other way around.”

There are no studies as yet that positively identify U16 present a greater risk to teachers? This covers 90+% of school children - let's start with them shall we?

Yes there is as leaked above but the government appear to want to cherry pick those parts that fit their strategy prior to its official publication because they never quote on leaks. It is possible for anyone to say anything is good to do this but always remember it is Johnson in charge and his planning can be somewhat nonexistent.
We are still waiting for the care bill he said he had ready when first elected leader.

Really ??

If the under 16's are so unlikely to pass on the virus, how come granny and gramps weren't allowed to see them or to look after them.
It would have to be a very cruel government that prevented families meeting or helping with childcare if there was so little risk.
And why is it that child care was shut down ?

My granddaughters child care hasn't been shut down neither has the childcare at the hospital where my daughter in law works.

The risk to older people is their own vulnerability - not sure we have many over 70s teachers - I could be wrong?

How many teachers have been infected due to teaching in those schools that were open through the early days of the pandemic?

Just more political posturing from you, Johnson could find a cure himself and you'd have something negative to say.

Ad Hominem.

Johnson is a proven liar and coward.
Unfortunately, he's also incompetent.

Despite this, i was originally prepared to give him and his government the benefit of the doubt but after a decent, albeit, late start, they have since been a shambles.
How anyone expects parents and teachers not to feel apprehensive about the return to school is beyond me.

At least unlike you when I say something like I am leaving the forum I stick to it for longer than you which was about a day. I regret you are a prime example of what this country has become. I thought the greed of Thatcherism was bad but nothing compared to the lies of the current regime which will promise the world and provide nothing which currently results in far too many unnecessary deaths.

Greed of Thatcher? like, people owning their own hom, breaking the callous and hate filled Unions, standing up to Scargill and Kinnock?

Thatcher didn't start illegal wars, sell gold at records lows, cause mass unemployment. Even the poll tax was fair, just the lunatic left didn't want to pay it.

Yet again, you have derailed a thread because of your whippet and flat cap mentality.

Greed of Thatcher? like, people owning their own hom, breaking the callous and hate filled Unions, standing up to Scargill and Kinnock?

Thatcher didn't start illegal wars, sell gold at records lows, cause mass unemployment. Even the poll tax was fair, just the lunatic left didn't want to pay it.

Yet again, you have derailed a thread because of your whippet and flat cap mentality.

Go back to watch until death us do part Alf.

Greed of Thatcher? like, people owning their own home, breaking the callous and hate filled Unions, standing up to Scargill and Kinnock, allowing people to invest in public services, investment in the NHS, demolition of slum tenaments and terraced tenfoots?

Thatcher didn't start illegal wars, sell gold at records lows, cause mass unemployment. Even the poll tax was fair, just the lunatic left didn't want to pay it.

Yet again, you have derailed a thread because of your whippet and flat cap mentality.

Go back to watch until death us do part Alf. Socialism has been proven to fail, we have a government managing a GLOBAL CRISIS and all you can do is spout hate filled politics. I assume you are an ex miner or some such, because nobody in their right mind is quite as bitter as you. Have you ever even been abroad?

You do realise that was a television programme and not real life and bless you think they are handling the pandemic well.
The TV got it correct today when they said Johnson is doing another photo opportunity sporting an hard hat. I wonder if he owns his own PM hard hat on they supply him with one.

Oh yes, I know, but it is also a reflection of you. They are doing their best, but that will never be good enough for you. As I say, a bit of a sad old man stuck in Crapper & Sons Carry on film days.

fed up of the hard of thinking, it seems RLFans has become a home for the elderly and infirm.

To summarise: IR80 and Sal Paradise believe that the Government is totally trustworthy and knows best on how to manage schools through the pandemic. They also believe that most teachers are work shy loony left types intent on collapsing the economy.

I don’t know your age or infirmity but hey this is an equal opportunity forum and these shouldn’t be reasons for you not to continue. I do know that you frequent the twilight zone when it comes to this government ( I thought you would like the TV and Film reference.)
I was asked not to keep insulting you but it is so easy because you have that sort of personality.

They can't see their own paradoxical thinking. They think public sector workers get paid lorry loads of money for doing nothing, but then fail to understand why there is a shortage of teachers, nurses, midwives, etc. If it was such an easy ride, with attractive remuneration, surely everyone would want to be doing it?

Schrödinger's public sector workers. Massive wages and perks for doing nothing, but not enough people doing it.