Without seeing the figures neither I, you, nor anyone else can give a definitive answer.

But as an example. Child allowance needs to be cut. If you cannot afford to raise children, don't have them.

Public sector jobs - I would start by looking at Local Authorities and the level and area's of staffing

Public sector pensions- Massive move to defined contribution schemes.

OK, I think I've got a grasp on the whole of this thread now.


"Your lot is worse than my lot and I have some biased newspaper arguments to prove it"

"No they're not, your reports are biased, here are some from my biased newspaper to counter them and to prove you wrong"

"No, that kind of bias is wrong, only my kind of bias is right and acceptable"



Nothing new there then...

You keep ignoring the point that Labour only ran a deficit for 6 years prior to 2008. For four out of his 10 years at no 11 he ran a surplus. Treying to make out all he ever did was spend, spend, spend is just not the case.



I don't think you understand how you would personally be affected in a bad way if we did end up with the small state you favour.

I believe there is a balance to be struck. Certain things do not work when run by the private sector. Why did we have to take back Railtrack for example. Other things would never work in the public sector e.g food production.



It is irrelevant because as I said the size of the structural deficit was totally manageable pre the crash. If you look at the figures in the last year before 2008 the deficit was lower than the year before. So I could equally argue the Conservative reductions in the structural deficit are due to the downward trend they inherited from Labour - but it doesn't matter if they did or not because banging away at reducing it is not going to stop them having to to borrow shed loads of cash to fund the recession the causes of which are not spending.



It would be reduced which is stating the obvious (without any thought for what wouldn't have happened without the money e.g. school rebuilding program) but given the majority of current borrowing is by far and away due to the recession you could wipe the structural deficit out tomorrow and we would still be running a deficit about twice as big as any since the mid 1970's.

Aye, let the kids suffer for their parents' errors.


You would start by looking?
So, you are guessing, right?


Shift the burden of pensions for the low-paid onto the state?
Interesting.

indeed, it's pretty much the way every thread goes.

Of course he is, like he was guessing about the cost of, and the waste involved in the NHS IT project. He hasn't much clue at all as to where cuts could be made or what effect they would have.

Yes I'd start by not switching street lights on, then cancel any road repairs and stop all bin collections.

Then I'd cancel the street cleaning service too.

Perhaps shut down the planning department so your neighbour doesn't need permission to build a block of flats in his garden that will keep light from your house.

I think you've been infected by Dallyitis - an impression that public services are irrelevant and we can get by without them (even though central government would have to fork out dole payments to those who lose their jobs and even though the private sector equivalent is likely to cost more)

That's a bit simplistic, I have seen counter-quotes used here, [uspecifically[/u as a means of demonstrating that the trotting-out of quotes is coloured by where you get them from.

Mr HWS has just left his public sector job to work in the private sector. He has worked without a break in service for 14 years paying in 8%. His forecast Brett Kenny? £3500 a year at retirement. Hardly life changing but you would.cut it further??

As for your quote on benefits, you conveniently didn't quote the figure for underpayments which iirc is a bit more than overpayments. (I too have the same document but not to hand)

Are you not aware of the 32 suicides a week due to benefit cuts or do you simply not care?

Where you getting that from?

Its in the public domain and easy to find.

I heard that too.
R4 last week.
Sounded like serious research.

[url=http://www.andyworthington.co.uk/2011/06/06/brutal-benefit-cuts-for-the-disabled-are-leading-to-suicides-in-the-uk/Andy Worthington's blog/site[/url

Have had a quick scan through and it doesn't appear to mention numbers.

[url=http://www.nhs.uk/news/2012/08august/Pages/Recession-linked-to-rise-in-suicides.aspxIn an NHS article they are saying that the recession is causing a rise in suicides[/url

Am on phone so cannot link but I have just done a google search and its all there in black and white.

The thing about pension savings is that apart from for the very high earners it is unaffordable. Need to save about 20% of gross pay all your working life.

Why don't you tell us what you would cut then? Even Labour would be cutting if they were in office.

It's easy to sit there and crticise and by their very nature a 'cut' is going to somone off.

So let us know what you would cut and we can let you know about the people it will off.

Quote ="Chris28"Yes I'd start by not switching street lights on, then cancel any road repairs and stop all bin collections. Then I'd cancel the street cleaning service too. Perhaps shut down the planning department so your neighbour doesn't need permission to build a block of flats in his garden that will keep light from your house. I think you've been infected by Dallyitis - an impression that public services are irrelevant and we can get by without them (even though central government would have to fork out dole payments to those who lose their jobs and even though the private sector equivalent is likely to cost more)'" Would you? Hmm what a strange choice. How about going here www.i-grasp.com/fsa01/tpl_fsa01. ... xjdjortckf An old job, but a good example. £60k p.a.......................... I would look for inefficiency first. Look at the back office/admin staff. I understand the need for equity, but must we staff our local authorities with people with an IQ of less than 100? Cut the waste, employ decent people. There are enough on the dole atm. Then of course there is the efficient spending of money. Instead of building pointless "speed bumps" and ridiculous roundabouts, errecting silly signs that no-one cares about, then whinging about "Government cuts", maybe spend the money on things such as refuse collection, street cleaning and lighting?

Quote ="Chris28"Yes I'd start by not switching street lights on, then cancel any road repairs and stop all bin collections. Then I'd cancel the street cleaning service too. Perhaps shut down the planning department so your neighbour doesn't need permission to build a block of flats in his garden that will keep light from your house. I think you've been infected by Dallyitis - an impression that public services are irrelevant and we can get by without them (even though central government would have to fork out dole payments to those who lose their jobs and even though the private sector equivalent is likely to cost more)'" Would you? Hmm what a strange choice. How about going here www.i-grasp.com/fsa01/tpl_fsa01. ... xjdjortckf An old job, but a good example. £60k p.a.......................... I would look for inefficiency first. Look at the back office/admin staff. I understand the need for equity, but must we staff our local authorities with people with an IQ of less than 100? Cut the waste, employ decent people. There are enough on the dole atm. Then of course there is the efficient spending of money. Instead of building pointless "speed bumps" and ridiculous roundabouts, errecting silly signs that no-one cares about, then whinging about "Government cuts", maybe spend the money on things such as refuse collection, street cleaning and lighting?

Well without knowing his salary, then your figures are pretty pointless aren't they?



If he earned £1m a year then I would agree with you.

If he earned £5k a year then I would say those benefits are over the top.

If people are so weak that they wish to commit suicide then that's their decision.

Have you ever experienced the "real world"? I suspect not.

If you honestly think that ANYONE in the UK can claim true poverty, then I suggest you visit SE Asia, Africa or South America. There you will see TRUE poverty.

Frankly the attitude of many in the UK is nothing short of pathetic.

I think I haved lived more in the real world than you my friend judging by your appalling ideas and attitudes.

I'm not going to reveal mr hws wages but more than the average in hull but less than national.average.

People are really losing their homes people are really having rely on food banks, that's the real world my friend.

See, the attitude and real character of a person surfaces eventually.

Sums you up better than anything anyone else can say about you.

You see, thats exactly the sort of generalisation that I asked you not to indulge in earlier - who are these admin or "back office" staff who are doing nothing all day long and drawing wages of £60k and do you really thin that they exist outside of your imagination ?

The truth is that your attitude is showing through now - admin staff drawing high wages for nothing with an IQ of less than 100 ?

And why would you "cut the waste, employ decent people" surely if these jobs are not required then you wouldn't need to fill them again after you'd got rid of the £60k, less than 100 IQ wasters ?




Pointless speed bumps
Ridiculous roundabouts
Silly signs

You're a spambot for the Daily Mail aren't you ?

Did you not follow the link?

That position was advertised paying £60k.


As for cutting jobs, well tbh from my experience, you could cull half the jobs in local authorities quite easily. Replace them with hard working people from the private sector and away you go.

However, I see the usual left wing clique has formed and no doubt will give itself a large pat on the back as ultimately those who debate to the contrary get bored and post elsewhere.......