Imo jon wilkin has gone back over the last yr and half. He seems to think he has made it as a superstar. I think we are in urgent need of a 2nd row/loose forward to put some presure on wilkin.

Anyone agree? It just drives me mad watching walk round the pitch like some superstar!
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Why do you think he thinks that about himself? I can't say I've noticed that.

The guy thought he was a superstar the moment he joined St Helens.

More interested in parading around the town centre taking advantage of the numerous stupid Saints player groupie women than in actually fulfilling the promise he had. I am inclined to agree that he has gone backwards. I am not convinced he has a role within the team itself. He doesn't make the hard yards and there is no position for a third playmaker in the modern game IMO.

Needs improvement.

It's coz I don't think he likes the hard work anymore. He's great when we are racking points up but when it's tough he goes missing.

I really thought he would end up taking the captains armband and maybe even captain gb.

IMO he is gettin worse each week. It's shame really as I like him but he gone big headed and thinks he better than he is.

Watch him for a few sets. He makes so many dummy runs, which if he was popped the ball, would be destructive.

Had a lot of promise, but he probably needs to be a big fish in a small pond.

That's what I'm saying!

He puts more effort into his media work he does.

This is fair enough but I'm not convinced by it anymore. RL is changing into an NRL style contest where the back rowers need to have the ball, make hard yards and make countless tackles. Wilkin to me does none of these, he can look fantastic when the other forwards have won the territory battle but he is never involved in winning this. He needs to look at the way he plays for me, either bulk up and start grafting or move to a side where a ball playing loose forward is needed.

He still has promise and still be good player.

He needs to be told by potter to either shape up or get out.

Completly agree!

IMO he won't make a top class 2nd row as long has he lives. He's to small.

Nothing to say he couldn't make good loose forwArd as pryce ain't really a ball playing stand off.

When he 1st came he was good rough hard working player with good hands.

I don't think Wilkin has quite lived up to the potential he had as a youngster.

But that has nothing to do with his attitude as far as I'm concerned ... he works his backside off on the pitch. He's averaged around 27 tackles a game for the last couple of seasons, and, according to the Super League site, is averaging 39 per game in his first four appearances of this season.

It's probably true that he isn't big enough to be a destructive running second rower, but you can hardly put that down to him thinking he's a superstar.

Wilkin is a GB international forward, so he does have some ability.

I think many of you are not taking account of his excellent angles of running when hitting the line, and his generally intelligent footballing skills, and support play.

He isnt a blockbuster but he is a footballer.
RL isnt all about bash and barge, you need players with subtle skills as well.

Spot on, he runs some great lines.

he's great at playing hide and seek in big international games too...

In the all conquering 2006 season, he made the step up from behind the shadow of Gilmour to become not only the best second rower in our squad, but arguably the country. In that season alone, I can't think of a second rower who had performed better than Wilkin.

Since then, he has not improved, and has possibly taken a step backwards.

Now, I don't think he is worthy of a GB shirt anymore. (although don't ask me who deserves one ahead of him

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He's a damn site better than Flannery and I'll bet he's cheaper too. For those thinking he hides from the hard work, I remember him breaking tackles to win us the Challenge Cup final against El Giantes at Twickers, with a broken nose. Hardly the stuff of lazy pretty boys.

We haven't played well in donkeys years, when was the last time we cut lose and pasted someone? We struggled through last season, grinding out results and it wasn't pretty. A lot of the work Wilko does goes unnoticed.

Funnily enough. Wilkin hasent had a good game for years either!

What?

He wasn't that bad in the cup semi against us last year.
P.s Clough looks like a great prospect how's he been playing??

It's ok sayin he does 27 tackles a game cox he prob does.

He's prob the best 3rd man tackle machine in the world.

And yes he did run good lines but now he is just like a dummy runner.

Don't get my post wrong cox wilkin is a player I like but IMO he thinks he is better than he is and not played how he can for year and half.

No matter what anyone says he has not lived up to it.

Fair comments mate. I do feel though that he hasn't quite cut the mustard at the very top level and in the biggest games.

You do wonder sometimes how weve managed to win anything these past few years with all these overated players that turn out for us every week.

Can we loan him back then please

To my mind he is a nautral loose forward, and should be playing there week in week out, instead of Clough, Hargreaves, Puletua, Flannery or anyone else that just happens to be passing. Give him the 13 shirt and let him settle.

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I think you're right in saying he hasn't quite lived up to his potential - I thought he was going to be absolutely top drawer - but in your original post you imply that this is because he is self-absorbed and lazy, which is wholly unfair in my opinion.

It seems to me that because he's a good looking lad people tend to dismiss him as a feckless poser as soon as he has a couple of mediocre games.