ok i apologise as i did not see the point you were making


However I do think the hardcore support in wrexham is around 3,000

Funny that every Christmas I can have an advance of up to half my December salary if I so wish and my employer doesn't charge me interest.

of course.

Well if you look it up the changes were agreed by all teams in SL early in the offseason when the new regulations were announced. At a time in which Crusaders Rl's finances looked stable.

no

I eat in a subsised dining hall but this is what is known as perk of the job. I wouldn't get that benefit in just any restaurant.
Your ability to borrow to money is the same.
The thing about perks is that even if they are, theoretically free, the employer generally needs to pay less to his employees in wages as a result.

Wel.....maybe not 'over backwards'......
1) Did Celtic Crusaders WIN promotion to SUPER LEAGUE, no, you were placed there (before ex World Champions Widnes) because the club is located in Wales.
2) Celtic go bust, the RFL let's it re-locate to Wrexham( well a new club get's created really) and allowed to stay in Super League.
3) Crusaders are in the $hit now, maybe too many 'free tickets/offers' handed out, instead of paying speccies.
The club knew what 'debts they had inherited' (i assume they have a book keeper/acountant) but carried on regardless in spending money they didn't really have, but then again you are not alone in all that.
The RFL will do 'all they can' to assist you, they think it will work eventually, I guess mainly in producing quality Welsh rugby players, admittedly that will take time. If it's not sustainable, then it's only a matter of time before RL in Wales fails again, BUT Crusaders are in the best league to make a success of it.
My team Leigh Centurions will be stuck in the championship FOREVER, or maybe till 2048 when the RFL have explored every possible avenue that is nowhere near the M62


p.s.
I don't want you to fail, I just want promotion/relegation back - to me that is a proper sport.

You mean just before W Crusaders Ltd was born on Oct 20th

They didnt!

As for Blackpool you cant run a club if there is no one willing to run it.

They had no backers so no team. As for the comment on the Blackpool board about the lost for the town. They havent played in Blackpool for a few seasons now.

The club has been heading for this since the first time they left Blackpool 20 years ago.

I thought you had to win the grand final to be promoted, not finish second thn have the rules altered because you are an expansion team . Or did you forget that ???

What freaking planet are you on?

Then you're clearly a) stupid or b) being tendentious.


Every Super League club in SL for the period 2009-11 period is there for the same reason as Crusaders: they submitted a winning licence application.

What ? , go bust or relocate to Wrexham ?

go bust

Of course I forgot , they managed to sell it complete with debts before that happened

Good on ya-- Flatcapper. We should never let this go away.

Why two choices?

Yep that's right, the club clearly didn't perform as expected and yet something happened at the end of the season and they remained in the same League as a result of an RFL decision, sound familiar?

Your Club

Our team

Our team didn't perform as well as expected and we were relegated

So not similar at all , if we had moved to Luton and changed 90 % of our staff , then maybe a bit closer

So how did you avoid relegation ?

So your team signed the players up not the club?

Both victim to bad decisions by the owners unfortunately (our previous ones I may add) I seem to remember someone recounting a conversation with their accountant when they mentioned they were going to financially support a club and was subsequently asked about their state of mind but they still did it, I guess they could only see success coming out of it at the time but then it's easy in hindsight isn't it?

Granted the old administration made massive mistakes and quite clearly run up a large amount of debt but given my experiences this year have been better on all fronts I think we may (and I stress may) come out of this much stronger and wiser.

I never said we were facing relegation we were facing something much more serious, but for the intervention of Wrexham Village and the RFL I would not be watching RL this year in Wales (was thinking about Quins being the next closest

)

Yes Crusaders were rushed into SL before they were ready, I cannot see anyone denying this.

Simple question would you rather have seen Crusaders go bust or find another backer in Wrexham?

I have always said that when you think you have ' made it ' that is the day you ' lose it ' , unfortunatley people dont always follow their own advice

In actual fact part of the reason for getting involved was to stop somebody else getting total control

I'm glad that some are finally seeing sense then , it was plain for all to see

I dont want to see any RL club dissapear , we have precious few as it is