Actually no , Last season I genuinely hoped that they would bring in some quality and take a few big scalps , but they decided to give the lads that got them there a shot at it and fair do's to them for doing that , in the end it didn't pay off

So they've got Noble in who should improve things , but he has got a very difficult task

This year they are now playing silly buggers off the pitch



To still be a credible club by july 2011 when the next round of licences are given out they have to start making progress somewhere , either on the pitch league position wise or off the pitch with crowds , or it will look pretty bad if a club is thrown out of SL purely on location , one that is out performing the Crusaders both on and off the pitch , that will do serious damage to the sport and SL if that happens

My posts are more mr Angry than gloating

Easy tiger... note the wink.

And I agree with what you've just posted.

I hope someone somewhere realises that it is almost impossible to travel by public transport to Wrexham from S Wales. At weekends the railway are doing line maintainance at wekends, so if travelling by train you are partly bused and the journey is about 8 hours. Almost as bad by bus , means changing and you may knock off 5 mintes off the train time. Only Monday to Fridays is there good and regular transport, I travel regularly to Bangor on business but never go at weekends.
As a season ticket holder I would like to know why one of our top fixtures is at a ground where it is almost impossible to get to? Why bother buying if other top matches are going to N Wales? Makes nonsense of the clubs board about getting good value by buying a season ticket. Doesn't anyone at the club care?
If this is going to be a regular feature of our fixtures I will return to previously, when I used to travel north monthly to visit friends, and see a game when I was there.

I know the first match is a Friday, but it does mean travelling on Friday lunchtime at the latest to get to the game, anyway why bother when the game is televised?

I'll be there.

2.5 hours from Newport with no changes. Fine by me.

Also it goes via Shrewsbury which is on the Manchester line and never experienced any delays on that line to be honest.

I have friends in North Wales and used to travel up there regularly , most trains go straight via Chester instead of Wrexham but its no major delay.
Can be done from the capital here in under 3 hours so shorter than most of our away journeys.

However to not know where a professional sports team are playing their matches this late on in the year for the coming season is nothing less than shambolic from the club, and is further undermining our credibility. I am all for spreading the game across the country but there is no real point in having another club so close to the 'heartlands' especially if most fans in that area already support one of the English sides

Not that I am suggesting the club are moing to North Wales permanently.

We need to develop the support base in the 'Rugby' stronghold that is S

Wales first , North Wales has always been football dominated.

I travel every week to N Wales and there are five good trains a day and they do travel on time, but that is Monday to Friday, weekends is a different matter. Anyway forget the travel problems, why is one of the most popular games being played in N Wales. There would be a riot if The W. Riding clubs were expected to play games at Hull. There appears to be an agenda to lose fans, not strengthen it, and certainly having paid for season tickets last August I didn't think that mathes would be played in N Wales. Easier supporting Warrington.

I live in Chester and study & work in Wrexham. On a personal level I'm made up that the Crusaders are bringing some games to north Wales and I will definitely attend.

Believe me, there is a massive appetite for Rugby League in north Wales and the borderlands. I can understand the frustrations of Crusaders supporters and if they only choose to play one game up here (although I suspect that won't be the case) then choosing Leeds seems a strange decision, though I am aware of the reasons given.

I really hope the Crusaders promote the game/s in Wrexham as much as possible. In my role with Chester Gladiators I have good contacts with many local Rugby clubs and will be offering my services gratis.

I am sure RL would prove a big hit in north Wales and that the Crusaders will reap the benefits.

Hope that the Quins game is at Newport, Bridgend was the closest we had to a 'derby' (guffaw) game.

As our club seem more concerned about ease of access for away fans than they do for home fans, the Quins game will probably be at Craven Cottage.

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www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2009/no ... port/print looks like the end in nigh ready for sl my

What a shame that your backer has only managed to maintain his enthusiasm for one season. No team can improve home support where people do not know where the matches will be played.

I hope the game against Bradford is at the racecourse ground it'll be ace. Cheshire Oaks in the morning then Rugby league in the afternoon at what is a nice ground. Better than most Super League clubs in fact.

Cheshire Oaks in the morning and then a rugby league match in the afternoon" I think Widnes Vikings are closer than Wrexham and they know , where they will be playing." Liverpool city, Huyton,Runcorn,Prescot panthers, Chorley and now Blackpool all the same team with lots of names and grounds.

deluded muppets make me puke. people down here are killing themselves for your sport and all you can do is hope and pray we fail. scum the lot of you. nice list, if we fail you add one more to it...simply rugby league itself.

The deluded ones were the ones who just couldn't see any icebergs on the horizon. EVen when they were pointed out to them, they just ignored it as "flatcapper rants". The club has clearly hit not one but multiple icebergs and you still can't see them.



You really do need to be able to distinguish between discussing the likelyhood of Crusaders failing and wishing it so.

If I interpreted your last sentence through your standard "bitterness filter", I would accuse you of hoping that rugby league would fail.

Which of course it wouldn't. The loss of Crusaders would be a blow but the sport has survived and even grown despite the loss of more prestiguous expansion clubs.

Trouble is the people in South Wales AREN'T 'killing themselves' for the sport of Rugby league.

Average attendences for Celtic Crusaders last season?

Slight innacuracy there my friend. People in South Wales ARE "Killing themselves" to get to rugby league and support it .....EXCEPT that we are going to Saints/ Warrington/Wigan/Leeds and not to crusaders.

Crusaders Average 3,668
Salford Average 4,467
Quins Average 3,436


Not bad considering the other two had twice as many home wins and over 120 better points difference.

Salford won 3 times as many away games and Quins 7 times as many.

I don't think our average was that bad to be honest. I expected around 4,000 but didn't expect the problems and so few wins.

Sorry not allowed , the highlighting of the Fulloncrusaderbronquins poor attendances is not allowed on these forums , you will immeidiatley retract or your ' flat cap ' will be in the post

That is because they [iwere[/i flatcapper rants.

This crisis has been brought about by the RFL. It is the RFL who has insisted upon all SL clubs being based at supa doopa new stadia, even amidst the worst recession in aeons, and it is that which has driven Celtic out of Bridgend and upwards towards the north. This is not of their own making and personally I'm really sorry for the fans in southern Wales, I'm sorry that the RFL have been so incredibly stupid as to repeat history by undermining yet another expansion club and equally sorry that they have not the collective brains, imagination or humility to admit their stupidity, withdraw their insistence on new stadia, and allow Celtic to return to Bridgend and continue with the good work that was going on down there.

If I had the power I would obliterate the RFL in a flash and replace it with a professional sports organisation.

Grrr, this gets me mad.

but the RFL are most definatley not to blame for this one

Starbug, had the RFL not insisted upon new stadia being a criteria of the licence process and had they not continued to insist upon that - to the extent that they sent out threatening letters (oh, sorry, reminders) to those clubs with 'below standard' stadia only recently - in spite of being in the midst of the worst recession in ages and regardless of whatever else clubs are doing in their localities, the Crusaders would not have felt under pressure to leave Bridgend and therefore they would not be in their present predicament.

You tell me how that is bollox?

I still can't see us playing primarily out of North Wales as the only chance we have is down here. If we do we'll be cutting our own throats. I hope the RFL can see this even if we want to do it.

If we stay down here and have a couple of years of stability off the field and what I think will be progression on the field with the coaching set up then the sky's the limit. All we want is a boring season off the field where we stay out of the headlines for all the wrong reasons. Fingers crossed as I think if we can ride out these first few difficult years there is a big future for rugby league down here.