Leigh Miners Rangers A are the other club in a surprisingly

low division.

Not sure how Newton Storm are so high either or how Folly Lane are premier.

I hope this is only a draft because some of these are a joke. We have been put in division 4 even though we have won 2 leagues in a row. Brook 'a' are in the league above even though we've beat them every time we've played them over the last 2 years. Other teams like Newton and Chorley been put ridiculously high as well.

Why don't they just adopt the current NWC league structure & all new teams start at the bottom like its always worked. Worked ok for probably the strongest team Bank Quay etc. Golborne in div 1 & not prem isn't right.

dont know how they've got miners that low when they was in 1st division when they was winter and they've just won the short season only losing 1 game,but st annes have been poor for last 3 or 4 seasons,so i think they should be in before a couple of teams

Does anyone know the draw for the war of the roses ???

You're from Wild Boars if I remember rightly? Which division did you ask for?

I don't get Newton or Chorley's high placings either. Newton have been through turmoil in the last few years (I think they even folded for a time last year?) and their results have reflected that. Chorley are still a young side and are strengthening every year but Div 2 is too high for them.

Newton have not folded at any point from memory.

Westhoughton too.

That said, I've been told Adlington have folded so this could be a way of getting back up and running.

Certainly some sides are in the wrong place there...although Sept - Nov was meant to be a grading season etc. the fact that so many clubs are coming across to summer means that they've got to be sensible, perhaps looking back to the 2010/11 NWC season to get an idea of what level a lot of sides are at and then factor in the summer sides. Wild Boars are a lot better than some sides placed above them for example and given their NWC record, they shouldn't be so low down.

Chorley Panthers might be expected to pick up players from Adlington? But even so seems a big leap.

Had a 10 minute fiddle but already think I've drawn up better divisions, added Walney Central assuming their late entry is accepted. Was hard to work out who to put 10th in Premier.

NWML Premier Division
1 Ashton Bears ARLFC
2 Bank Quay Bulls ARLFC
3 Barrow Island ARLFC
4 Blackbrook ARLFC
5 Clock Face Miners ARLFC
6 Golborne Parkside ARLFC
7 Halton Simms Cross ARLFC
8 Pilkington Recs ARLFC
9 Widnes St Maries ARLFC
10 Wigan St Cuthberts ARLFC

NWML Division One
1 Haydock ARLFC
2 Folly Lane ARLFC
3 Hindley ARLFC
4 Leigh East ARLFC
5 Walney Central
6 Roose Pioneers
7 Woolston Rovers
8 Shevington Sharks ARLFC
9 Thatto Heath Crusaders ARLFC
10 Bold Miners ARLFC
11 Rylands ARLFC
12 Leigh Miners Rangers

NWML Division Two
1 Rochdale Cobras ARLFC
2 Wigan St Patricks ARLFC
3 Oldham St Annes ARLFC
4 Latchford Albion ARLFC
5 Heysham Atoms ARLFC
6 Leyland Warriors ARLFC
7 Ulverston ARLFC
8 Widnes St Maries "A" ARLFC
9 Wigan St Judes ARLFC
10 Halton Farnworth Hornets ARLFC
11 Haresfinch ARLFC
12 Wigan Spring View ARLFC

NWML Division Three
1 Bamber Bridge ARLFC
2 Bank Quay Bulls "A" ARLFC
3 Blackbrook ARLFC "A"
4 Cadishead Rhinos ARLFC
5 Widnes West Bank ARLFC
6 St Helens Wildboars ARLFC
7 Saddleworth Rangers ARLFC
8 Waterhead ARLFC
9 Rochdale Mayfield ARLFC
10 Hindpool Tigers ARLFC
11 Chorley Panthers ARLFC
12 Ince Rose Bridge ARLFC


NWML Division Four
1 Accrington Panthers ARLFC
2 Burtonwood Bridge ARLFC
3 Wigan Bulldogs ARLFC
4 Eccles ARLFC
5 Eccleston Lions ARLFC
6 Culcheth Eagles ARLFC
7 Pilkington Recs "A" ARLFC
8 Newton Storm ARLFC
9 Wigan Riversiders RLFC
10 Wigan St Cuthberts "A" ARLFC

NWML Division Five
1 Ashton Bears "A" ARLFC
2 Bury Broncos ARLFC
3 Crosfields ARLFC
4 Folly Lane "A" ARLFC
5 Fitton Hill & Hathershaw Bulldogs ARLFC
6 Hindley ARLFC "A"
7 Little Hulton Reds RLFC
8 Portico Vine ARLFC
9 Chester Gladiators ARLFC
10 Woolston Rovers "A" ARLFC

Think Hindpool deserve to be up with HFH, Spring View and Haresfinch. None of these teams have beaten us yet this season and although our league position at the moment is pretty lowly we have 3/4 games in hand on some teams. Ince Rose Bridge should also be higher, IMO
Think we would be pretty happy with that league though provided the other teams were prepared to travel.

Your also assuming that Walney have actually applied to the NWML

Walney did decide on summer though as I say don't know if it's on time.

As I say just a rough go, I tried to work out who else to drop to bump you up as there's only 12 teams I could have put in. Ince Rose Bridge did poorly in last winter season and interim.

I know they decided but what you and I read did not indicate a particular league, they could have applied to CARLA.

Ah yeah didn't think of that possibility.

Cant see it to be honest but it could be a possibility if the application is deemed to late for the NWML and they have played their u18s up the coast in the past rather than the NWC.

I think it goes further back than half way through 11/12 NWC.....having said that we didn't lose a game last year and are again showing much better form now we have a few lads back from injury, new faces etc etc, I think we are quite happy to find our feet in 2 and let the leagues sort emselves out over the next few years, which it will.

Be difficult to base seeding on a few wins Shawy with all due respect, on any given day teams can be beaten depending on circumstances on the day. Having said that I think u aswell as many others could argue against allot of the div 1,2,3 placings, with each having valid points. Let's not forget off the field aswell, teams abilitys to sustain both in terms if players and financially.

Not a dig at hindpool mate.

I wouldnt like the job of sortin it out!!

Totally agree mate it must be a hard job and I'm not saying we should be higher than yourselves, Finch or HFH was just wondering how they decided that you three should be above say us Heysham and Ulverston. I'm more miffed that teams like Newton Storm and Chorley Panthers are above us. I'm sure you will agree there is very little between the majority of teams in our league this season and any of 6/7 could be in that higher league

Definitely, I can only assume they have kept the Cumbria sides together due to cost, travelling etc, gotta agree with u re chorley and newton. Our league for me is by far the most competitive based on the last 2/3 years as is NWC1....two very close leagues with the odd few exceptions.

You sure??

in the league!.....

Does anyone know who & what teams have stayed in the winter league?

About 10 in total including Irlam, Langworthy, Dalton, Hollinwood, West Bank Swans, Higginshaw, Albert Park and I think Blackpool Scorpions. Cant remember the full list off the top of my head but as far as I know at least 3 of these have made enquiries to join the pennine league so wont be much of a league left next year although the league have said there are teams who are going to give summer a go and if it dosent work out they will come back to winter and also some possible new teams.

Leigh East B and Widnes Tigers make up the 10. Assume Higginshaw and Hollinwood have asked about the Pennine but unsure who else? Dalton won't get many home games in that league and wont have a winter league to enter their reserves assuming the Barrow League switches.

Any team entering from summer would have a hard time catching up fixtures though there is tall of them having teams finish the season with friendlies

Anyone know the new teams who might be going in the winter league?

Widnes St Maries are talking about entering a 3rd team I think. Dalton have decided to commit suicide and stay winter.