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| His statement is to keep pressure on Hull CC re North stand support I'm sure. Our financial model has been, up to now, built on knowing we have a rich backer, however we know that might not last hence the investment in the ground to create a fully sustainable model without having to sit at the bottom of the table every year.
I also wonder if this is just selective quotes from his online session last week?
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| Quote ="Roverswall"You have said that once
Saying it a second time doesn't make it any more true.'"
I'll bet a pound of 2'penny rice that he is looking to get out b4 it goes 'bang'/t*ts up / pop/ kerput/wrong/crashbangwallop/bust/in tears/implode/explode/down the swanny/in tatters.........
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| Quote ="Tarquin Fuego"I'll bet a pound of 2'penny rice that he is looking to get out b4 it goes 'bang'/t*ts up / pop/ kerput/wrong/crashbangwallop/bust/in tears/implode/explode/down the swanny/in tatters.........'"
It is obvious you don't know Hudge then.... would take him anytime over your man-woman uncle Kath... cos when the time comes - perhaps on a new moon - you wont see her for dust and with her directors loan clutching her man bag
The assassination of Rovers by FC fans is hysterical and represents the clearest indication that the suffer from the little know Stool Syndrome - this is where one has been the king pin for years and yet can't adjust to being second raters now!
Keep it up FC fans... cos when the season starts its back to focusing on pitchside matters
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| Quote ="cofr_rockin_robin"You've made a profit helped by the CCup visit to Wembleeeeey however how much do HFC now owe to the directors in loans ?'"
A lot less than you do.
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| Quote ="Kosh"A lot less than you do.
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Not if you include the £780,000 you don't.
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| Quote ="Big Spender"Not if you include the £780,000 you don't.'" We intend to pay our debts off by making a profit year on year as we have done in the past 5 yrs, how do you intend to pay yours off?
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| Quote ="General Zod."
A side from the Sky money, a SL brand (which FC got given to them) will generate far, far more income in terms of sponsorship etc.
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Strictly speaking every team currently in Super League had their SL brand given to them in July 2008.
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Can't wait for the new season to start so the likes of you and your other cronies can be put in their place again - I've got an "inkling" that the 3rd successive season of failure could be worse than the last two...'"
Not what you said here (good gag about "inkling" though).
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| Quote ="Big Spender"Not if you include the £780,000 you don't.'"
It's not £780.000, check the accounts. And the player valuation is not money "owed" to anyone, it's a reserve adjustment impacting neither the financial profit or loss in the year, nor creditors, only the revaluation reserve. The only one of you on here with a shred of credibility when it comes to accounts analysis was Chilibeano and he made himself scarce when the actual numbers were discussed. I'd suggest you give it up or take an elementary book-keeping course.
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| Quote ="JB Down Under"His statement is to keep pressure on Hull CC re North stand support I'm sure. Our financial model has been, up to now, built on knowing we have a rich backer, however we know that might not last hence the investment in the ground to create a fully sustainable model without having to sit at the bottom of the table every year.
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Yep.
Quote ="Big Spender"Not if you include the £780,000 you don't.'"
You're fighting a losing battle here, IMO. Through a combination of good fortune and good judgement (we could bitch about the relative importance of the two all day, but life isn't fair), Hull are running an operating profit. By the standards of most sports clubs they find themselves in a financially healthy position. They could just carry on as they are indefinately. Rovers could not and have to evolve. The player valuations included on their balance sheet is just an attempt to boost the value of the club, and doesn't take away from the fact they are consisitently making a modest profit. Just as listing Rufus's Robin suit as worth five million pounds, wouldn't make Rovers profitable. They are gilding the lily, or at least painting it an unconvincing orangey-yellow, but they do at least have a lily - I've run to far with this analogy, haven't I?
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| Quote ="Mrs Barista"It's not £780.000, check the accounts. And the player valuation is not money "owed" to anyone, it's a reserve adjustment impacting neither the financial profit or loss in the year, nor creditors, only the revaluation reserve. The only one of you on here with a shred of credibility when it comes to accounts analysis was Chilibeano and he made himself scarce when the actual numbers were discussed. I'd suggest you give it up or take an elementary book-keeping course.'"
To be fair, if you can do sums you can analyse accounts to a level to discuss them down the pub or on here. Put simply, both Hull and Rovers are worth less than nothing, as they have more debt than assets - 'balance sheet insolvent', to quote Hull Kingston Convicts. The difference is that Hull are making money and heading in the right direction, Rovers are losing it and relying on continued support from benefactors.
Overvaluing assets, doesn't affect P&L. It is pretty simple. Mind, some people confuse late submission of accounts with going into administration or liquidation, so I guess the febrile rivalry makes people see what they want to see.
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| Quote ="Mild Rover"To be fair, if you can do sums you can analyse accounts to a level to discuss them down the pub or on here. Put simply, both Hull and Rovers are worth less than nothing, as they have more debt than assets - 'balance sheet insolvent', to quote Hull Kingston Convicts. The difference is that Hull are making money and heading in the right direction, Rovers are losing it and relying on continued support from benefactors.
Overvaluing assets, doesn't affect P&L. It is pretty simple. Mind, some people confuse late submission of accounts with going into administration or liquidation, so I guess the febrile rivalry makes people see what they want to see.'"
You can't mention him on these boards, his superior understanding of financial matters has seen him banned!
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| Quote ="Mild Rover"To be fair, if you can do sums you can analyse accounts to a level to discuss them down the pub or on here. Put simply, both Hull and Rovers are worth less than nothing, as they have more debt than assets - 'balance sheet insolvent', to quote Hull Kingston Convicts. The difference is that Hull are making money and heading in the right direction, Rovers are losing it and relying on continued support from benefactors.
Overvaluing assets, doesn't affect P&L. It is pretty simple. Mind, some people confuse late submission of accounts with going into administration or liquidation, so I guess the febrile rivalry makes people see what they want to see.'"
TBF to me I've never said FC are in a fantastic position financially either, but relative to others our profitability over the last 5 years has been outstanding. It's true that our liabilities exceed our assets (if you take out player valuations) but TBH not by much - £0.2m (Rovers gap was £1.1m before the last 2 years losses). If you were comparing at RL clubs as a buyer, clearly our off the pitch operations and readymade stadium coupled with demonstrated profitability would make us a relatively attractive proposition but you would be comparing us to a right set of mingers.
Back to the title thread - does anyone seriously think Hudgell will walk away? I don't. I guess it depends on whether he is prepared to run the club hands-on on a day to day basis indefinitely or whether he will at some point want to go back to run his legal business?
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| Quote ="Big Spender"Not if you include the £780,000 you don't.'"
Wrong figure (and oddly enough exactly the same wrong figure quoted by Bertie) and has no impact on the amount of cash owed to directors.
Try again.
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| Quote ="Kosh"Wrong figure (and oddly enough exactly the same wrong figure quoted by Bertie) and has no impact on the amount of cash owed to directors.
Try again.
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its all relative you know.
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| Quote ="Kosh"Wrong figure (and oddly enough exactly the same wrong figure quoted by Bertie) and has no impact on the amount of cash owed to directors.
Try again.
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Really.
Whoever we choose to believe, a pretend bead counter or the local media, if Hull hadn't gone against their accountants reccomendation we wouldn't be having this conversation.
HTH
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| Quote ="Bertie"Really.
Whoever we choose to believe, a pretend bead counter or the local media, if Hull hadn't gone against their accountants reccomendation we wouldn't be having this conversation.
HTH'"
And if Hudge wasn't losing you have a million a year, running to the media whilst sowing the seeds for his get out we wouldn't even have the thread!!!!!!!!!
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| He doesn't need to sow any seeds. Like any chairman he can depart whenever he likes.
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| Quote ="Bertie"Really.'"
Yes. Really.
Quote ="Bertie"Whoever we choose to believe, a pretend bead counter or the local media, if Hull hadn't gone against their accountants reccomendation we wouldn't be having this conversation.
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You can choose to believe what you like. However, if you want to carry on suggesting that a poster is lying about her profession and qualifications you had better have some proof if you don't want to fall foul of the AUP.
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| Quote ="Bertie"Really.
Whoever we choose to believe, a pretend bead counter or the local media, if Hull hadn't gone against their accountants reccomendation we wouldn't be having this conversation.
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We would because we'd have still made a profit and you lot would still be losing money.
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| Quote ="Tarquin Fuego"I'll bet a pound of 2'penny rice that he is looking to get out b4 it goes 'bang'/t*ts up / pop/ kerput/wrong/crashbangwallop/bust/in tears/implode/explode/down the swanny/in tatters.........'" Then you know bugger all just as you knew bugger all when you said CP wouldnt be getting any more extensions to it.
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| Quote ="Mrs Barista"It's not £780.000, check the accounts. And the player valuation is not money "owed" to anyone, it's a reserve adjustment impacting neither the financial profit or loss in the year, nor creditors, only the revaluation reserve. The only one of you on here with a shred of credibility when it comes to accounts analysis was Chilibeano and he made himself scarce when the actual numbers were discussed. I'd suggest you give it up or take an elementary book-keeping course.'"
Lets face it there wouldn't this comment, figures apart, if Hull FC hadn't chose to go against their accountants advice.
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| Quote ="Big Spender"Lets face it there wouldn't this comment, figures apart, if Hull FC hadn't chose to go against their accountants advice.'"
Perhaps you should ask Rovers accountants why the image rights issue reportedly prevents Rovers from filing their accounts when everyone else bar Wakey and Celtic have managed?
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| Quote ="Roverswall"Then you know bugger all just as you knew bugger all when you said CP wouldnt be getting any more extensions to it.'"
When I said the hell hole that is caravan park , wind tunnel, was not to get any monies for extensions I was factually correct.
The you were given a 'gift' from Hull FC and NHS after some politicking in the background.
However , Hudge the fudge is looking to get out , as per his continuous hints and moaning. What does he like best about his job ? He has never said.
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| Quote ="Tarquin Fuego"
The you were given a 'gift' from Hull FC and NHS after some politicking in the background.
However , Hudge the fudge is looking to get out , as per his continuous hints and moaning. What does he like best about his job ? He has never said.'"
How much are Hull FC contributing to our East Stand extension, pray tell?
What is preventing Hudge from leaving?
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