Think you might find that Ratu will become first choice centre at KR next year TBH.

well if thats how we rate players fair enough.

bridge and sykes.

No it isnt OK for England to do it, did I say that?



The fact that Fa'asavalu played for GB devalued the shirt IMO....

If Hall can improve his upper body strength and positional play then i agree he has the potential to be the better of the 2.
If he doesnt then Welham is the more solid option.

hall didn't need to go anywhere, it was our nob of a coach who sent him. He has the type of skills welham can only dream of

I agree. TBF to Hall late in the season his defensive game looked to have improved considerably and his confidence was high. People knock the loan move to Widnes but it has helped his development IMO.

Either way it is refreshing to see a few Hull born lads playing super league level in the centres....if only we could find a couple of scrum halves!

No chance. They're both flaky in defence but hall is an exceptional attacking talent and certainly one of the fastest centres in SL

as i said it goes on, i seem to recall tongans, new zealanders , aussies, png etc etc etc all being allowed to switch allegencies in the past as well.

and i agree with you, anybody that represents england who is not english by birth , should not happen. and i`m sure smith could pick english players that are on an equal if not better quality than bridge, harrison and the guarenteed fasa when sts finish

are you saying that if you made your break through at 17/18 you wont get better after 21?

halls pace is blistering, hes scored 10 in 14 games, defensively he needs to improve but he will.

when he moves to rovers.

The ironic thing is it is the Aussies who are the worst at it and they dont need to! Picking players like Mason, Dymock, Civonacieva(sp), Hayne and Hunt who all qualify for lesser nations by birth right just weakens the international game.

Both Tonga and Samoa could probably pick a very competitive team if allowed to.

don't the nrl have central contracts though similar to RU to keep top players like the ones mentioned?

OK.
Lets make it simple for you.
Welham = Ever Present in the team that finished 4th in the Table.
Hall = Fringe Player and loaned out in the team that finished 12th.

If you take the time to digest what is actually posted then you might not make yourself look so much of a fool.
Ive posted that if they both reach full potencial Hall will be the better player.
But as things stand Welham has had a far far better season then Hall and deserves credit for that.
Its up to Hall to change that opinion.

i dont think so. they do have 3rd party payments off sponsors but nothing to do with nationallity.

No im saying that late developers like Welham appear under the radar and dont get the hype.
Reference Tommy Lee

All that applies to Kevin Penny on the wing and id rather stick pins up my jacksy then see him in a Rovers shirt.

None that I am aware of.

all what that proves is its harder to get into our centres than it is hkrs. all your points to why welhams better doesn't stand up against hall.

and explain the break through at 21 stuff?
were am i saying welham doesn't deserve credit?

Oh come on.
Byrne and Yeaman, Hall and G Horne.
You serious

some players develop later i agree but it doesn't mean players cant improve after 21, some players play their best rugby in their 30's. some are even saying senior has had his best season this year.

whos in front of welham? since morgan realised walker is a 2nd rower hes had no competion for that position.

welhams had a good year in a strong side, since halls returned hes had a good return of tries in a poor side.

Surely its all about how these players are developing and not by matching last years appearance stats!

Please quote me where i said that was the case.
My point about Welham is that 09 was his 1st full season.
All the other names being posted as better players have more SL experiance, therefore he could potencially catch them up in performance and in some instances be the better player in the longer term.