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| Quote ="ash4hullfc"Missing out a point just to suit your agenda is a bit daft though, isn't it?
Please point out where I've defended Guthrie too. I said what he did was stupid. However, it wasn't as bad as it was made out. fagend's seperate assaults (that's how you've described it) at the KC and SJP should have been dealt with a hefty fine and ban, as I'm sure you'll agree. That's a sweeping statement too, saying "Everyone who has seen that tackle agrees except for blinkered Geordies such as yourself". Strange, because when the incident happened there was a big discussion about it on the Other Sports forum where the vast majority agreed it was a three game ban and no more. Carrying on spouting to suit your agenda though.
I don't recall saying it did.'"
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Brilliant, well reasoned responses.
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| Quote ="ash4hullfc"Missing out a point just to suit your agenda is a bit daft though, isn't it?
Please point out where I've defended Guthrie too. I said what he did was stupid. However, it wasn't as bad as it was made out. fagend's seperate assaults (that's how you've described it) at the KC and SJP should have been dealt with a hefty fine and ban, as I'm sure you'll agree. That's a sweeping statement too, saying "Everyone who has seen that tackle agrees except for blinkered Geordies such as yourself". Strange, because when the incident happened there was a big discussion about it on the Other Sports forum where the vast majority agreed it was a three game ban and no more. Carrying on spouting to suit your agenda though.
I don't recall saying it did.'"
What agenda is that exactly? I don't have "agenda's" and I don't spout. everything I've said is based on what happended and very popular opinion.
You haven't directly defended Guthrie, but by insisting every tackle ever made in the history of football was worst indicates that you are, and a sign of complete desperation IMO. Why can't you just admit the tackle (or should I say deliberate assault) was a disgrace and move on? FWIW i agree that action should have been taken against Marney and Fagan, but the poor FL procedures (proved by the Guthrie assault) means that it wasn't.
As for the vast majority thinking 3 matches was enough
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| Quote ="bob bob bobin robin"What agenda is that exactly? I don't have "agenda's" and I don't spout. everything I've said is based on what happended and very popular opinion.
You haven't directly defended Guthrie, but by insisting every tackle ever made in the history of football was worst indicates that you are, and a sign of complete desperation IMO. Why can't you just admit the tackle (or should I say deliberate assault) was a disgrace and move on? FWIW i agree that action should have been taken against Marney and Fagan, but the poor FL procedures (proved by the Guthrie assault) means that it wasn't.
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Popular opinion amongst whom? Hull fans?
Yeah, I insisted every tackle made in the history of football was worse. It was daft, it wasn't on but at the same time it wasn't worthy of an extended ban. The reaction caused by Guthrie's 'tackle' only really came about after it was revealed that fagend had broken his leg. If he hadn't, would there have been the same reaction? No is the very likely answer. It's like last season when Martin Taylor broke Eduardo's leg. It was a poorly timed challenge but should only have been a three game ban and that correctly was the case. If Eduardo hadn't have broken his leg or the images of the injury weren't so graphic, it would have been overlooked and sweeped aside just like most other cases of serious foul play/violent conduct. The injury sustained shouldn't reflect the ban handed out.
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| Quote ="ash4hullfc"Popular opinion amongst whom? Hull fans?
Yeah, I insisted every tackle made in the history of football was worse. It was daft, it wasn't on but at the same time it wasn't worthy of an extended ban. The reaction caused by Guthrie's 'tackle' only really came about after it was revealed that fagend had broken his leg. If he hadn't, would there have been the same reaction? No is the very likely answer. It's like last season when Martin Taylor broke Eduardo's leg. It was a poorly timed challenge but should only have been a three game ban and that correctly was the case. If Eduardo hadn't have broken his leg or the images of the injury weren't so graphic, it would have been overlooked and sweeped aside just like most other cases of serious foul play/violent conduct. The injury sustained shouldn't reflect the ban handed out.'"
Have to disagree with you here Twinny, not a follower of football as you know but when a player is injured through a malicious tackle the punishment should some how mirror the length of time out injured.
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| Quote ="ash4hullfc"Popular opinion amongst whom? Hull fans?
Yeah, I insisted every tackle made in the history of football was worse. It was daft, it wasn't on but at the same time it wasn't worthy of an extended ban. The reaction caused by Guthrie's 'tackle' only really came about after it was revealed that fagend had broken his leg. If he hadn't, would there have been the same reaction? No is the very likely answer. It's like last season when Martin Taylor broke Eduardo's leg. It was a poorly timed challenge but should only have been a three game ban and that correctly was the case. If Eduardo hadn't have broken his leg or the images of the injury weren't so graphic, it would have been overlooked and sweeped aside just like most other cases of serious foul play/violent conduct. The injury sustained shouldn't reflect the ban handed out.'"
I completely agree with you. The Eduardo tackle was badly timed and didn't appear intentional in the slightest IMO. The Guthrie tackle was a clear and deliberate attempt to seriously injure Fagan (that's his name by the way!) given away by the fact that he didn't even attempt to go for the ball and struck him half-way up his leg. So why did they end up with the same punishment? Pathetic, and it's the FLs procedure that's the problem.
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| Quote ="bob bob bobin robin"I completely agree with you. The Eduardo tackle was badly timed and didn't appear intentional in the slightest IMO. The Guthrie tackle was a clear and deliberate attempt to seriously injure Fagan (that's his name by the way!) given away by the fact that he didn't even attempt to go for the ball and struck him half-way up his leg. So why did they end up with the same punishment? Pathetic, and it's the FLs procedure that's the problem.'"
This is where my view of it is different to yours I think. Although he meant to kick him (obvious he did), I have no doubt in my mind that he never intended to injure him, it was purely frustration.
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| Quote ="ash4hullfc"This is where my view of it is different to yours I think. Although he meant to kick him (obvious he did), I have no doubt in my mind that he never intended to injure him, it was purely frustration.'"
I can understand that, however having played sport to a reasonable(ish) for most of my life and getting frustrated (not in a sexual way I might add!!) on numerous occasions I've NEVER taken that out on an opposing player. There's absolutely no excuse for it, hence the "dont try and defend the indefensible" comment I made earlier.
It's usually the ref that gets it (again not in a sexual way!!) and results in me getting a red card!!!
I think we'll have to agree to disagree. Guthrie was bang out of order and should have been banned for much longer IMO. You think the opposite. Fine by me.
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| Quote ="bob bob bobin robin"I can understand that, however having played sport to a reasonable(ish) for most of my life and getting frustrated (not in a sexual way I might add!!) on numerous occasions I've NEVER taken that out on an opposing player. There's absolutely no excuse for it, hence the "dont try and defend the indefensible" comment I made earlier.
It's usually the ref that gets it (again not in a sexual way!!) and results in me getting a red card!!!
I think we'll have to agree to disagree. Guthrie was bang out of order and should have been banned for much longer IMO. You think the opposite. Fine by me.'"
The refs get it (sexual way [size=9(non)[/size ) when we play 5-a-side on Thursday night. A few of our team seem to take their frustration out on opponents sometimes but they don't intend to injure anybody.
He was bang out of order true, but like you've said we'll agree to disagree.
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| Post Saturday evening should be fun.
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| Well it's Michael Owen's cup final, should be a cracker.
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| Good luck to both sides, I'd like both of them to stay up.
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| Win for Blacburn tonight turns up the heat
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| With Blackburn winning. It will be tough now for city i predict Hull city 1 v 2 Newcastle. Of course i hope i am wrong but Newcastle will not go down they are to big.
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| Quote ="cab man"With Blackburn winning. It will be tough now for city i predict Hull city 1 v 2 Newcastle. Of course i hope i am wrong but Newcastle will not go down they are to big.'"
Seem to remember Rovers fans saying the same thing some 10 years or so ago
The geordies are clearly a championship team/club with premiership fans
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| Interesting to see the chairman has come out and basically said they have loads of new players they want for next season. Lets hope the current players dont think that by keeping city up they will be out of a job.
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| Quote ="CRAIG 73"It was nearer 20.'"
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| Quote ="Big Dave T"Not for you it wont!!
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That's what I'm thinking. Been dreading it since the Man Utd match. Worst I've ever felt pre-match. I'll be in bits when I wake up on Saturday morning.
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| Quote ="ash4hullfc"That's what I'm thinking. Been dreading it since the Man Utd match. Worst I've ever felt pre-match. I'll be in bits when I wake up on Saturday morning.'" pull yourself together man
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| Quote ="ash4hullfc"I'll be in bits at 4.45pm Saturday.'"
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