I wasn't trying to be pedantic it's just that he really didn't play SR that much due to injuries to Campese and to a lesser extent Kelly and I never said anything about him been a bad SR option quite the opposite in fact and you can't really compare his situation to Newton and Galea as they played in there SR positions 99% of the time

In Peggys world anyone pulling on a KR jersey is crap.Any young B&W is a future international.Kelly Taylor Watts and Paea were crud until guru Radford coached them. Back to this weekend and our win over Widnes was the only 2 points gained by those in the Middle 8 scrap .Catalans Salford Hudds Hull and Wakey all tasted the bitterness of defeat.

Fair dos. I think the comparison stands up, but I understand what you are saying.

In terms if the Widnes game my overriding emotion is relief! A home loss against what was a pretty poor Widnes team (with in game adversity) would have been a bit of a blow for morale. It doesn't change the feeling that the season will continue to be a slog, I just hope it eases the anxiety levels of some supporters.

Only in craigey's world. I've said many a time I see oakes ending up at Hull as he starts to achieve his potential and lawler and mulhern would go well in our pack. You also have some other good young players coming through so could be some good pickings for us in the next few years.

As for your more senior players, none are better than their counterpart at Hull and most significantly weaker.

Maybe you could like me to the bits where I've said all of our young players are future internationals or those players mentioned were "crud" until radford coached them?

You're in a mini league of 5 so beating the other 4 is important. You still have hudds and salford of those to play at home so those 4 points could be crucial

I think the biggest thing to come out of the Widnes game was the way we handled the sinbinning, too start the 10 minute spell as poorly as we did and recover showed pretty good character, there injuries obviously played some part but after they'd scored there tries i feared the worst.

Very tough run of games coming up now, 7 tough fixtures IMO.

I can't see Oakes ending up at Hull as he doesn't weigh 18 st so won't fit into Radfords copying of the Bradford model from the 2000s

Its not a bad model to copy in all fairness mate

It did work for them for a decade or so but times have changed Hull look great sometimes but like on Friday when they come up against a good team they can look very ordinary and clueless

Craigey? Hmm Who else spells it that way? That's your opinion on our team but why you feel the need to tell us every day is a puzzle?

Dole office?

nursing home

Wow. Standee drops a cutting remark.Did you get home ok after leaving game early?never claimed benefits so good effort but no.

Yeah I thought it was funny him moaning about Hulls away matches in Lancashire on a Thursday and Friday when he actually lives nearby

He will be attending Widnes via public transport but will have to leave at halftime to make it home,or earlier if a lot of Video Ref decisions or if Hull are losing

Everyone presumably. How else would you spell it?

I'm surprised you think like that Bobby has been outstanding this year....and by the way at the age of 33.

He did ask to be released last year and was talked out of it by the chairman since then he has been in a much better place and IMO has been in the form of his life this season. He is one tough hombre, tackles tough and runs hard, very hard.

Heff went off injured and for the hundredth time Bobby was asked to switch mid game this time to centre with Carney on his wing. He adjusted seamlessly and it must have seemed like old times when he and Carney combined superbly for the last minute try. They were a centre/wing partnership back in 2008 for the Australian Indigenous All Stars.

Maurice Blair may (or may not) be in his final season with us but he is giving his very considerable best every week this year....IMO.

sad sad sad, flattered you feel the need to talk about me, feel sorry for you that you have nothing else to do...

Come on Standee,lighten up, fwiw I agree with a lot of what you say on your page.Yourself Seb and the Bump are pioneers in an unappreciative forum

That's one word for em.

I hope clarkson gets 5 matches. 1. It was a dangerous tackle. 2. He gifted Widnes 10 points. 3. He's only average anyway.

It was a dangerous tackle no doubt but the D grade seems excessive.Think best he can hope for is 3 game?He received a yellow.They scored twice during that 10. No previous that I can remember? Not seen what the French forward who pile drived Batemans head into ground received other than his yellow in 72nd minute? Will see what he gets later but not expecting anything but a big ban

Just looked and don't think Simone has even got a caution for what for me was a worse tackle?

Presume it was the swear filter kicking in