We are basically headed for the championship and total disaster,last nights display was pathetic.We have played 3 games we should earmark as possible wins,wakey and cats at home and salford away,in 2 of them we have been thrashed by wakey and salford who had obviously watched the same video and attack the shaw/ heffernan wing,no doubt it will become common knowledge.Our forwards other than masoe and perhaps mulhearn,who has been one of our better players,are not big enough.Atkins and maguire are a decent pairing,but shaw,heffernan and minns are poor defenders,decent going forward.How we improve I dont know without a spending spree,greenwood,kavanagh,jewitt,lee,tickle are journeymen who are not good enough for superleague yet are most of our pack,

I hope it’s not 2016 again we were on our travels then and we went down please not again

In surprised Salter didn't keep his place on last weeks showing certainty tightened up the defence out of the forwards you've named I think Jewitt has been good but god knows what's happened to Greenwood he's been terrible for a season and half don't think much to Lee out of the games we've played Wakefield are strong and not the easybeats they once were Salford aren't as weak as some people predicted after koucash left Leeds were there for the taking and Catalans were poor to me we have played well twice and terrible twice

down ?

Widnes Salford Hudds us Frogs and maybe Cas/Wakey/hull could all land in bottom 4.We seem to take a positive step then throw the momentum away? We still have plenty of improvement in us.But a quality half and another Forward with real size and we are about right I'd say?

It’s only early in the season and we are ongoing with recruitment so to and you never no what’s going to happen if it gets to mid season and we’re still like this I’ll worrie but I think Tim will have a few tricks up his sleeve he sees the same as us so he nows exactly what we need

Some people were going on about how good Leigh's recruitment was compared to ours well they've lost 3 out of 4 in the championship so I think it's a bit early to be panicking yet

Tim might be doing the right thing waiting for the right player I no it’s frustrating but if we have money still to spend and a squad that is not far off already i think we will finish 7th then build for next year I think Tim will pull a few more signings in the next month

My god I hope you are right we need something

I know why people are worried and it is no doubt going to be a tough season. But there’s a long way to go yet.
We need to remember the lessons of 2016, but they shouldn’t cast a pall over a new season and a new challenge back in SL.

Hold into the ball a bit and don't get so excited near the line and the boys will be fine.

I will just state this though; for all Tim Sheen's vast experience, he's still a newbie SL coach. I don't doubt him at all (unlike the dire Sandercock era that filled me with zero positivity) but just worth noting.

The only question is " Who will Rovers play in the million pound game "

Edited for accuracy.

Dave we have a set of forwards who other than lunt,mulhearn and masoe are not good enough,greenwood who looked promising has gone backwards,donno who is 100% trier is not big enough,kavanagh,clarkson,lee,jewitt,johnson and tickle are bang average and most have had more clubs than tiger woods.Addy and lawler who are both s/l standard are long term injuries,blair is a good player as is scruton but both are nearing the end of their careers.In the backs shaw and heffernan are good attackers but poor defenders,against wakey and salford they were pinpointed and found out.Atkins and maguire are a promising combo,but maguire is injured and we appear to have no one else in the halves,we have moss on loan at york,who was more than decent last season on the wing or full back would surely be an option at full back and quinlan in the halves.Barring for that were looking good.

I total agree I’d like to see quinlan in the half’s and dagger/moss at full back and we do need a strong running big hitting second row we have been lacking in the second row a wile, if we had decent second row then ower pack would be much strong and heff and shaw are good players don’t get me wrong but there edge is always getting caught out, id put blair at 13 aswell

The snag is we have not had a decent pack for the last 3 or 4 years and it looks like we will not have this year you can not start behind all the other teams and hope to get good plays when they have all got them

You look v poor, a lot of strengthening required, but cannot do it in one season. I reckon you might just survive, a lot will depend on the league structure next season. IMO cats the only worse team than you.

V poor? I'd hazard you've seen us on tv v Leeds only? On paper we look a decent mixture of youth and experience but as many say our pack lacks real size and grunt.Still very early days and it's been a big jump in quality opposition than last year but I feel we have a whole lot of improvement in this squad to come. A Newton type quality 2nd rower and a fit Mcguire and we would be about right I'd say? VaiVai and Donno to come in so I don't think it's doom and gloom quite yet? Apart from 2nd 40 minutes v Giants your season has stunk somewhat so far?

I suppose it is all relative to expectation. Broadly speaking it still feels like the club are doing their best in challenging circumstances, I've got a fair bit of faith in Sheens and there's still a warm glow/clean slate feeling about promotion.

However, if you were another SL club about to face Rovers what would be your biggest fear? My fear is that there's nothing inherently frightening about our team. Yes, we've got some good individuals and there's always the hope that they'll collectively raise their game for any given 80 minutes, but if you were looking for one term to positively define us (like you might say Cas are free scoring, Leeds know how to win, Hull are strong, Wigan are rugged, Wakey or Salford are powerful/energetic), I don't know what it'd be yet. The journey and pitch, respectively, at least make Catalans and Widnes 'tricky on their patch', whereas we need the crowd behind the team to claim the same, and that gets to be a bigger ask when wins are rare.

Are you including other likely middle 8 opponents in that? I say that as it’s quite obvious we will be in them. Having watched the last 2 Toronto games I am a lot less worried as I think there’s little in the Championship that looks able to challenge. Leigh are in a right state already, Fev and London will probably make the top 4 but no disrespect when it mattered last year we had their number.

We should target 10th and with 4 home games we should navigate a top3 spot again, then look to build for 2019.

I don't see any SL side being in danger from any of the championship clubd

Got to be honest.
I don't like the charity shirt we've bought out. Which is a shame as I've generally liked most of the 1st team and retro tops we've done recently.

The whole Erasure thing means little to me but it's found favour with many. The shirt isn't for me but I liked the PNG one and the red union jack one.Weve been pretty good with the limited edition shirts.Last years play off one was also good. Due a dud but still money in the coffers

Surely the whole idea of a charity shirt is that the proceeds go to charity?

Well yes but it's a bonus if it's a decent item